This is what Im talkn about!!

[R-666]

Im gonna try and get something like this together for next season!!!:thumbup:

http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid271530082/bctid1182709713


Let me know If your in

[18crx]

well my plans reflect alot more riding and maybe some of that stuff.

[roadrunner]

i cant get to videos.. what is it???

[TRON]

Was that the Ruff Ryders???

So you wanna stop traffic on I-5 and do some stunnin'?:phatyo::cop-car:
:runaway:

[Matt]

You know I'm down!! haha

[MTS620]

:soapbox:
Not my bag at all. While you guys are drawing unnecessary negative attention to the sport, I'll be riding the back road twisties. The last thing we should be doing is giving the public and law enforcement more reason to dislike sportbikers. Public image has already suffered enough with recent accidents and high speed chases.

:2cents::2cents:

[jumper]

Stunting has it's place, just not on the street. You will loose your ride, your license (if you have one), and lots of money. However, I don't have an answer as to where it works. Anybody?

[Wordamous Prime]

I think what he was getting at was that the video was sick, and it would be cool to do it, but it obviously would be quite the undertaking. It could only be done if you rode in a massive group like that. At that point its almost uncontrolable. The video was cool, but it not likley to happen in this town.

[R-666]

:soapbox:
Not my bag at all. While you guys are drawing unnecessary negative attention to the sport, I'll be riding the back road twisties. The last thing we should be doing is giving the public and law enforcement more reason to dislike sportbikers. Public image has already suffered enough with recent accidents and high speed chases.

:2cents::2cents:
Hahaha As if reaching untold speeds on a back road is soooo much better than a wheelie on a road that is wider and all going in the same direction.... I like the twisties asmuch as the next rider but aswell as everyone knows... sportbike wrecks( and recent deaths) are do to those riding beyond there abilities and running from the law is not wise... Not matter what narrow minded people will have stereo types established about everything they dont understand... thats life. My point was th large gathering was cool... people can ride hw they want, I know I am... Stay with in your means and ya, we should be ok... get dumb and usally get hurt.:clapping:

[R-666]

I think what he was getting at was that the video was sick, and it would be cool to do it, but it obviously would be quite the undertaking. It could only be done if you rode in a massive group like that. At that point its almost uncontrolable. The video was cool, but it not likley to happen in this town.

Mayby not But Im gonna try:yes: Thank you for the positive points aswell... its very apprecaitted.

[jumper]

Let me know when you need a good lawyer.

[Wordamous Prime]

Its all good. I know where both parties are comming from. We shouldnt get to the point of trashing each other over our differences in taste.

[roadrunner]

would someone who gets video please tell me whats doing?? i gather that its a stunt video????

[TOM-CAT]

would someone who gets video please tell me whats doing?? i gather that its a stunt video????
Quickie answer: The part of the video that is driving this debate, is of a large (quite large) group of sport bike riders who manage to congest a 3 or 4 lane highway to a stop. Thus allowing a number of stunters to perform on the unoccupied section of the highway. It looked like one hell of a party, but I would not be having fun if I were in an emergency vehicle trying to make it through there.

So it was both cool, and potentially bad, at the same time. But really it was no worse than the "critical mass" bicycle rides that take place in major cities, as acts of protest against cars and the like. Both cause congestion and delays for commuters, and both are illegal.

Taking it to the twisties may seem like the more mature thing to do, and it is what I choose to do, mostly because I do not have the balls or the stomach to risk looping my bike in a wheelie or stoppie (out of fear for my bike).

If anyone here is trying to make the argument that stunting in town is dramatically more dangerous to the rider and public than going balls out on the twisties, better have some good facts to back up such an argument. Because I can think of quite a few to the contrary.

If we are going to debate this, lets bring out some facts, not just opinions. :nutkick

[MTS620]

Quickie answer: Th.....

If anyone here is trying to make the argument that stunting in town is dramatically more dangerous to the rider and public than going balls out on the twisties, better have some good facts to back up such an argument. Because I can think of quite a few to the contrary.

If we are going to debate this, lets bring out some facts, not just opinions. :nutkickGood dialog here and for what it's worth, I'm not debating safety at all, just public image. Right now it seems that we have it pretty good as far as law enforcement and public opinion are concerned. As far as I know, we haven't been getting any undue attention or harrassment and the one time I was pulled over this summer, I got off with just a warning even though I was riding considerably over the speed limit. I don't want that relative leniency to change. As a contrast, in some areas of Washington, they've been clamping down on motorcyclists. What good could possibly come from bringing unnecessary attention to ourselves? :thinking:

If you want to stunt, go for it, but please don't make it a newsworthy event. That's all I'm asking. :yes:

[TOM-CAT]

Good dialog here and for what it's worth, I'm not debating safety at all, just public image... What good could possibly come from bringing unnecessary attention to ourselves? :thinking:

If you want to stunt, go for it, but please don't make it a newsworthy event. That's all I'm asking. :yes:Well put. :clapping:

With some exceptions of course. (Bikini bike washes sometimes make the news :smilewink)

[Kelbor]

Im with you Ron...that video was sick. It looked more like a motorcycle demonstration then a bunch of crazy stunters causing trouble. Peeps are right in saying there is a time and a place - this is truw with everything. That video made it seam like the time and place to one wheel it with ten buddies is on a shut down freeway. Probably the safest place to do it in that city at that time. Sheeet...if we could get that large of a group of riders going here - I'd watch you rip it up down I-5! Yes that does look like fun. Yes it would draw attention to the rider community here. Yes, the attention wouldbe both good and bad.

Fact - more riders have died by getting hit by cars then stunting.
Fact - more riders have been seriously injured "riding hard" then stunting
Fact - Arguing on a web site is like winning a gold at the special olympics (you know the punch line)
Fact - :blah-blah:blah-blah:blah-blah:blah-blah:blah-blah:blah-blah

[Kelbor]

On another note........

http://www.autoblog.com/2007/11/28/10-year-ban-for-popping-a-wheelie-in-miami/

:yes:

[MTS620]

This is the sort of reaction I'm hoping to avoid:

http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/ten_year_ban_for_pulling_a_wheelie/1969.html

There's already some discussion about it on BARF and DESMOnorthwest.

-Mats

[roadrunner]

ty for the answer tom-cat... i figured...
i dont know about shutting the freeway down but id roll with a bunch of stunt folks.. id even participate though the stunts in my bag arent all the spectacular when compared to the likes of ron. i was working on some two up stuff until my buddy got married and she snipped him. theres a time and place for everything...
when?????????????????????????????????????????????? ??

[roadrunner]

This is the sort of reaction I'm hoping to avoid:
http://www.visordown.com/motorcyclenews/view/ten_year_ban_for_pulling_a_wheelie/1969.html

hummm... i doubt this would solve the issue. folks are gonna ride ass, however ass it is for the individual as long as there are bikes to do it on. same as they do in their cars. stunter and zip-splatters dont bother me at all but ive not been hit by one or had one of my family members hit by one of them. even then i couldnt say if it would change my opinion. idiots have made it this far in the world and evolution doesnt work quick enough to take care of it... and besides, my ass riding and your ass riding are probably two wildly different things and whose to say someone cant ride they way they want. people on bikes die everyday and thats not ever gonna change. what is changing is the awareness of other riders and non-riders alike of the stupid **** people do out on the roads.. whats to do about it?? what would change that??

[MTS620]

I agree, A law like that won't solve anything, it's just a knee jerk reaction by a jerk-off politician who probably thinks they can get votes from it.

[Kelbor]

Politicians are number 1 in my book:twofinger

[TOM-CAT]

Carlos Lopez-Cantera, what a ****!! :soapbox:

Yeah, and while your at it why don't you add on another 5 years if the rider it Muslim... This is just another case of picking on an under represented section of the population. You think he would make such an outlandish suggestion, if the subject was drunk driving. You want to take away someone's license for 10 years first crime, how about drunk drivers. Oh wait no politician would be so dump, because old rich folk drive drunk too. I don't see how a couple ppl going over a buck on sportbikes posses a greater danger to the public than the hundreds of drunks driving home in their tank sized SUVs.
This is a witch hunt, just as Mats called it. :censored:-in weak! I would boycot the :censored: out of this Lopez-Cantera punk, that's for sure.

[dansrc51]

I prefer Tom's style of riding pretty much for the same reasons. I was heavily against stunting until I came here and met Ron and some others. Every time I have ridden with him, with the exception of a few others, they kept it to back lot stunting and they always had thier gear on. Not my taste again, and I prefer to set the image in public that I'm there only doing my thing and not drawing attention to myself, but that's just me. I can't afford the insurance, nor would I want to trash a bike the way it happens when you stunt. that's not for me. My biggest goal is to just enjoy the ride and do it at my own pace.... my .02$

[R-666]

didnt think this would create such a discution hahaha But There are two sides to every story... I totoally understand the image protection thing.. I get profled and pulled all the time... but it comes with it you know... dark bike, dark gear... must be doen something wrong lol man, If only they knew... and they probably do. Bikes are about fun and a peace of mind that only a rider understands... stunting isnt for everyone, just like draggin knee isnt either... I dig both... havent touched the knee yet, skiffed it but no pucks tends to change your mind quik lol. Im donw to ride with anyone anytime... and Im not the guy that pulls it up right next to you if your not used to it or the guy tryn to pull it up behind you... Thats just askin for it. There are guys that I ride with that we can bring it up behind each other but we've ridin together enough to know the signs from each other... either way... I just thought a large gathering would be cool... :victory-s

[blackjack]

my :2cents: says it woukld be cool to get together for more group rides in the summer after bike nites or whenever, if stunters want to show there goods, so be it, no one I've ever rode with would do anything crazy, I rode today, and the winter is great if you can take the cold and somewhat slippery roads, there is lite traffic and no cops, we really need a stunt park, hell, skaters have their parks, hope we can get a big turn out this summer, :clapping:

[jumper]

As I understand the law, anyone, biker or auto driver get the same treatment if over 100 and reckless?

[TOM-CAT]

As I understand the law, anyone, biker or auto driver get the same treatment if over 100 and reckless?
The article seems to indicate the opposite:
"They'll lose their bike," Lopez-Cantera said. "Their motorcycle license will be revoked for 10 years, and it's a mandatory arrest so they will go to jail."
So a convicted drunk driver may lose their drivers license for a couple years at most (as I understand it, usually less than a year for the first COUPLE offenses), but a biker screwing around on "ANY PUBLIC ROAD" will lose his/her motorcycle license for 10 YEARS! For an F*ing wheelie?! This whole thing is jacked up.:soapbox: I stand by my previous statements.