Crash wow I feel lucky

[Stacya_250]

Ok so today I think I'm lucky person. And thanks to every one that stayed and waited for my family. Guess not knowing the road and playing hot dog was a little dumb. It will be a long time before I get back on but I will. Every one that took pic's please post them here. I did not brake any thing but holly hell every part of my body has a bruse. And thanks again to every one!

[NinjaChick]

Ok so today I think I'm lucky person. And thanks to every one that stayed and waited for my family. Guess not knowing the road and playing hot dog was a little dumb. It will be a long time before I get back on but I will. Every one that took pic's please post them here. I did not brake any thing but holly hell every part of my body has a bruse. And thanks again to every one!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING ON HERE!? GET IN BED! LOL. :D Im so happy youre ok! That was insane! You are one lucky man.... I'll post those pics as soon as I find my cable. Rest up and heal. :)

[NinjaChick]

Oh and you are very welcome. :) We care about you, just glad youre alright.

[Stacya_250]

I made it home now. I love my iPod. LOL time to try of get better. Keep in touch.

[TOM-CAT]

Wow Stacy, dude what happened?! :wow8:

I thought the ride south of Drain was supposed to be mellow and boring.

Hope you are alright man, and hope your ride is ok. Heal up soon man. :victory-s

[Stacya_250]

I tried to move to the midle of the group. Thought I had the time. Ran out of road. And I whenent down hard. I have only seen pic,a of my bike looks bad.

[Alex9101]

Hey I am so happy you are alright!!! Man... you are one lucky guy that's for sure!!! :bow: Glad you got home tonight and even posting here already! :clapping:
Heal fast and will figure something out with the bike too! I am just about done with the project bike that was messed up too...
Here are some photos... quality is not very good... I resided them a little too...

[nvoelsch]

Yikes, I missed this! Jeez dude! How did you make it on the OTHER side of that barbed wire fence? That's horrible! Shouldn't have had that muffin in the morning.

Apply ice and hot packs where necessary and let us know if we can help you with anything.

[willcbr600rr]

Holy Sh!t dude. I'm glad you’re ok. It looks like it could have been much worse. Thank god for the gear. Keep us updated

[Stacya_250]

Yikes, I missed this! Jeez dude! How did you make it on the OTHER side of that barbed wire fence? That's horrible! Shouldn't have had that muffin in the morning.

Apply ice and hot packs where necessary and let us know if we can help you with anything.

I'm not sure I think I went throu the fence. But thanks I'm going to try to get more sleep I will check back latter.

[Rex Raider]

sorry to hear you went down.
heal fast, that go's for the bike too.

[tlrmike99]

Glad to hear nothing was broke...man:angel:, I hate getting these calls..:sad:.just glad I was close and have the trailer.

I think you kinda hit the top of and then went over the fence looking at the pic's. The Bent T post has been that way, so I don't think you hit that.

As for your bike... well.... she's trashed..... Even the Throttlemeister has scratches on it....and I gotta say, seen alot of wrecks, but I have NEVER see a pipe come apart like that...LOL! Don't worry about picking it up... she's fine here for as long as she needs to be... just get better.

If the insurance people wanna come look at it, just have em call me... I have done that a few times too.

[wesleyw]

Glad you are okay man, it could have been so much worse...lady luck was on your side! Get well soon! :) Keep is updated on your progress!

[Stacya_250]

Thanks all!!!!!!! As for me getting better in may take a few weeks. I can get up and move around but my back is broused up around the sholder bladess. my left kneee cant take much waight and my right hip is out of wack to. I would have hated to think how I would look if I didn't have all my gear on! And mike if you can send me your number I will have them call you if its ok. and thanks for picking it up! if I ever get back on i'm going to be its going to be on some thing that I have to take it easyer on. sports turing will be nice. wife says no way!! lol If I do it has to be a moped..lol

[Batman]

wow man. I'm glad you're ok. the bike is replaceable, but you are not. Another +1 for SHOEI Heal well my friend

[Stacya_250]

Just a few pis of me.file:///C:/Users/Stacy/Desktop/IMG_0087.JPG

[roadrunner]

just caught melissa on her way out and heard about this... o my

[roadrunner]

and i think i might have a 'before' pic.....
sucks to be number one sometimes... hopefully youll be the last as well.
heal quick.

[Stacya_250]

Ya Oh my I had the chance to get on the other computer and look at the pic's. I my fix it but don't know if I will ever ride it.

[Stacya_250]

Thank!

[Jane Honda]

Holy...



I'm glad you are posting, and 'ok'. I hate hearing stuff like that, and those pictures bring back memories. Not good ones...



Man, not good ones...



Get better soon.


Word of encouragement... If I can get back on, you will be able too as well... Stay strong.

[tlrmike99]

if I ever get back on i'm going to be its going to be on some thing that I have to take it easyer on. sports turing will be nice. wife says no way!! lol If I do it has to be a moped..lol

Heck, you got it out of the way now... I'll PM you my number... Nothing looks bent on the bike.. forks and all... just eyeballin it... The oil filler got tore out so it would need a cluth side case cover...

It would make a heck of a track bike!!!!!

[Stacya_250]

Heck, you got it out of the way now... I'll PM you my number... Nothing looks bent on the bike.. forks and all... just eyeballin it... The oil filler got tore out so it would need a cluth side case cover...

It would make a heck of a track bike!!!!!

Well that's a little hope for getting it running. I talked to Ron today and thrusday looks like when we can pick it up and take it to the shop. Then the insurance people can look at it. I went down hard and can't really move around. So I'm not sure if I will be comming with. Pluse I want to see where I went down at and how the he'll I got over the frence?

[Stacya_250]

Oh and the hole fact I can't take pain pills sucks. Ibprophone is all I can take with out getting sick. Even the anti nasua stuff makes me sick. So ya I feel every thing! LOL

[FJMam]

Satcy!
I was looking for you today at the Shell station when Alexi said you'd had a wreck!:eek:
So sorry to hear man. :( So happy you always wear the right gear. Smart guy. Tell Misses S. that since you do wear the right stuff she's lucky you're in one piece and here to talk about it. Something we're all happy about.
:on-crutch

If you need any movies to watch I have 100's! Just PM me and I'll deliver direct!

Rest easy.................

[nvoelsch]

Pluse I want to see where I went down at and how the he'll I got over the frence?

I'm looking over the pics again and I so WANT to know how this worked. We'll have to get Wes involved with the math and physics of it all and hopefully he can explain it to us in simple english. :rolleyes:

If you need help transporting your bike and Mike can't assist, let me know and I'll fire up the Silverado to help. I have access to ramps and can get a trailer too if necessary.

[Stacya_250]

Satcy!
I was looking for you today at the Shell station when Alexi said you'd had a wreck!:eek:
So sorry to hear man. :( So happy you always wear the right gear. Smart guy. Tell Misses S. that since you do wear the right stuff she's lucky you're in one piece and here to talk about it. Something we're all happy about.
:on-crutch

If you need any movies to watch I have 100's! Just PM me and I'll deliver direct!

Rest easy.................

Ya the wife and my son have almost put me in tears a few time telling me that they so happy I'm still here. I know I will never ever ride without my tourmaster gear. They had the damdest time cutting throu it. LOL

On the movies I will have to dig out the DVD player LOL

[FJMam]

Easy enough to hook up. I'm sure you can get help with that too!

That's what riding buds are for you know. Helping out.

[Stacya_250]

I'm looking over the pics again and I so WANT to know how this worked. We'll have to get Wes involved with the math and physics of it all and hopefully he can explain it to us in simple english. :rolleyes:

If you need help transporting your bike and Mike can't assist, let me know and I'll fire up the Silverado to help. I have access to ramps and can get a trailer too if necessary.

I think they are going to come up with a hole new way to do math. Because I should have broken something gettin throu the fence? Pm me your # and if Ron can't I will give you a ring.

[tlrmike99]

Hey Stacy, I work late all week, 11AM to 9PM... off Fri-Sun. I think you High Sided over the fence... like caught part of it and then.... you were with the cows...LOL! At least the Hero's (AKA: Firefighters) had to work a bit to get you out of there.... Get's them out of the recliners and away from the X-Box, if you think I kidding about that, I'll take some Pics...LOL!

And I am now never riding without my back protector, and I am getting one for the wife too...

[Stacya_250]

Ok so Friday will work.? I do remember hitting the ground and bouncing around at least a few times but still just a blerr. Then after that some one asking me if I was ok. Think I said hell no. LOL wish I had a bigger pad for my back you can see were it stopped in the middle there is no brousing but on the shoulder blades and neck. Xbox LOL that's funny I will have to kick there butts on halo LOL

[wesleyw]

I know he high-sided when it hit the gravel, which would explain his flight over the fence. I'm guessing (because I didn't actually see it, the dust and smoke had kicked far enough up to mask him and the bike, and I was busy tryin to stop without high siding as well) that he caught the barbed wire at the top of the fence with his left knee, because that was really the only part of his gear torn up at all...he was laying just inside the fence, so the fence probably did a pretty good job of slowing him down.

Yes nathan, I can show you the physics and probably even plot his parabolic trajectory, given the approximate speed and weight of the projectiles in question... :-P It's a bit of a nasty corner, because you are completely blind coming up to it, straight up the hill and then the turn is just over the top, plus its down-hill into the turn so even harder to scrub speed...the property owners said that corner eats a few vehicles every year (cars and bikes).

[tlrmike99]

Friday will work... let me know what time so I can plan to be around....

[FJMam]

plus its down-hill into the turn so even harder to scrub speed...the property owners said that corner eats a few vehicles every year (cars and bikes).


Maybe someone should invest in some markers or signage or bright red and yellow reflectors to wake people up to the danger as they approach???
I wasn't there but your discription of the event is so clear I can picture it. Seems to make sense. No wonder Stacy's knee hurts, it acted as a tail-hook on the fence!

[wesleyw]

Probably wouldn't hurt. I wasn't paying attention to any signage leading up to it, so its hard to say what is there to notify people without going back to look. I was not far behind him so I had a pretty good view until I had to pay attention to my own bike in the corner.

[roadrunner]

Maybe someone should invest in some markers or signage or bright red and yellow reflectors to wake people up to the danger as they approach??


this road has a few spots that will get you. those who ride the thing know that they are there, like all the roads in our areas. im thinking that if you are out to mark corners, that there are several for sure and probably others that would qualify. what makes it any different than any other road in this area but for someone knocked it...? as it was explained to me, this was a try at a pass of two bikes then running into the end of the road, locking the rear and then the front ,causing a high side. do we need to mark all tight corners or not zip past other bikes into tight corners?? as said in the first post in this thread a "hot dog" was the cause.
anyways.. im glad were not at a funeral and im sure his family feels even stonger so.
unnecessary, yes.
lucky, yes.
heal quick guy.

[Stacya_250]

Yep yep !! The first fact is I have never been on the road and I was going way to dam fast moving up in the pack. When I shouldn't have is the cause. But I'm greatful for every one in this group. A Lessen learned. Just vary greatful it wasn't my last!

Now if if some one can give me directions back to that spot I would like to go see it?

[tlrmike99]

When you come down on Friday, I'll take ya up there.... But we'll go in the truck...LOL:yes:

[Stacya_250]

Ge I would hope so because I'm not riding bitch.! LOL

[tlrmike99]

Ge I would hope so because I'm not riding bitch.! LOL


DAMN STRAIGHT... you aint that cute...:help2:

[roadrunner]

Now if if some one can give me directions back to that spot I would like to go see it?



just got back from there.. it was easy to find.. the skid mark must be 100 feet long to where it drops off onto the side of the road and into the fence. there is a 35 mph sign with a double 90 degree turn with it before the skid starts and there is a series of four left arrow signs, the first about 30 feet before the skid starts. that corner tricks you like itll drop you off a cliff but it isnt near the corner that was before. there are two hair pins, a switch back, two left tight sweepers and one to the right as well. they are marked as well.
your spot is just over three miles from the turn off. and the fence post you tagged(which probably kept you from going throught the thing), was one of the old ones, not the thinner new ones.
is wesley our scientist?? the skid mark seems a little long for just 75mph.
anyways...glad youre not dead or eating out of a straw.

[Stacya_250]

K so what road is that? And how do I get there?

I grab both front and back the back end got light and didn't seem like it was slowing almost like ice. Drinking out of a straw or pushing up dassies! I'm sure if I would have landed on that post with out my gear would have gone right throu me. I do have a round bruse on my chest.

[TigerRider]

Stacy,

I'm always interested in seeing riders improve their skills, have fun and return home to their loved ones safe and sound.

Towards the idea of crash analysis vs. "oh I crashed and it hurt..."

Here's a few quick questions -

What could you have done differently that would have prevented this crash?

What kind of spacing did the group have?

What was your sightline and how much of it were you using?

Once you realized you were traveling into the corner too fast - what could you have done differently?

I'm looking at the pictures and I'm reading what you're saying about trying to move up in the group and I wonder if you may have stopped riding your own ride and started feeling a bit competitive?

This is a harsh lesson to learn, luck was very much on your side. I'm grateful the end result was not worse.

[Stacya_250]

Thanks Michael . I replay it over and over in my head! I knew I was going to fast to make the corner and didn't see any other safe place to go down. And every thing happens so fast. If I would have just stayed were I was on the pack I wouldn't have crashed. But NO I didn't. And I paid for it. I try not to do the what if thinking but it's hard not to.

[Triplespeed]

glad to see you are ok the bike can be replaced. Any accident you can walk away from is one to learn from. Hope to see you out soon get well

[wesleyw]

I hardly claim to be a scientist, but I can give you a break-down of some of the stuff going on...

When you deal with friction there are two primary kinds in that situation...static friction, meaning the friction between the tire and the surface it is on (without actual motion between them), and kinetic, meaning the friction generated by the motion between two surfaces. You can see this by setting a book on a wood board and push against it with your index finger. To start with the book remains stationary (due to static friction). Once you get the book moving, it requires noticeably less force to keep it sliding (only kinetic friction here).

For example, the coefficient of static friction between a "regular" tire and pavement according to the text book was between 0.8 and 1.0. That is better than between 0.6 and 0.7 for kinetic friction. The force of friction is this coefficient multiplied by the "normal force" (the amount of force that the ground actually pushes back on the bike, equal to the weight on level ground with the bike vertical). From there the physics get more complicated, because you are dealing then with the friction that you can apply to the brake discs without locking the tire. But you can see that if you have normal force of 100 Newtons and the tire is hooked to the pavement and not skidding, you have between 80 and 100 netwons (of frictional force) going into that deceleration, whereas with the tire skidding it can drop as low as 60. When you start dealing with bigger forces like the real ones involved when stacy was trying to slow down his bike, those spreads in numbers become huge, which is why the distances required for deceleration become so big once the skid starts and the skid-marks length can become misleading unless you know all of the numbers which played a role in what caused them. Also, when the object is no longer on a level plane, the normal force decreases, because it is the force perpendicular to the surface, so you can also see when this happens the frictional coeffiecient is now being multiplied by a smaller force which decreases deceleration. Add to that that the plane is not flat and direction is in the direction of a downward slope, you now have gravity actually starting to pull on the object, further reducing the force against the motion.

The guy who owns the property and the deputy both said that t-post was bent before he hit it. A little up-hill from where he landed the barbed wire was all tangled up, I'd bet money that is where he hit the fence and it tore his gear up.

Hopefully that didn't get too long winded or technical for you, but that is a basic break-down of the forces acting on the bike and the tires and such. If you don't believe how misleading a skid-marks length is, check out the DMV course where people take the riding test...During the emergency stop maneuver nearly every single bike I've seen take that test locks the back tire from between 12-20 mph, check out how long the marks are.

[tlrmike99]

WOW!!! My brain hurts...LOL. I agree too, that he caught the fence. I have eyeballed the bent post several times so I knew it was already bent. The bent up fence had clean metal showing through the old, indicating new damage or manipulation caused by Stacy's carcus hitting it I am sure...

The road was North Bank Rd. also known as the Wilbur/Glide cutoff Rd.

Stacy, if you want, we can get some sandwhiches and eat lunch while we scope out the scene. :idunno:

[Stacya_250]

WOW!!! My brain hurts...LOL. I agree too, that he caught the fence. I have eyeballed the bent post several times so I knew it was already bent. The bent up fence had clean metal showing through the old, indicating new damage or manipulation caused by Stacy's carcus hitting it I am sure...

The road was North Bank Rd. also known as the Wilbur/Glide cutoff Rd.

Stacy, if you want, we can get some sandwhiches and eat lunch while we scope out the scene. :idunno:

+1 if I thought that much my head would pop. LOL the kid has brains I give him that.

Sound good to me what type of sandwhiches? And when? I'm getting around a little more now. So just let me know.

[willcbr600rr]

WOW!!! My brain hurts...LOL.

:lol:

Wes - Seriously thanks for the explanation little deep for my brain but well written.

Hey I want a sandwich :lets-eat:

[wesleyw]

haha thanks. :) And to think kids wonder where we will ever use this crap after college... ;) I'll take a sanwich too! Glad to hear you are getting around better Stacy!

[blonde]

I'm so thankful that you survived and are ok... you are one lucky man and someone was watching over your shoulder... It was a good thing that you were fully geared up!It was amazing no broken bones and looking at the pics it was a scary thing. I'm glad that you have such a great group of people to ride with and that they stuck by you till I could get there!

[roadrunner]

lol wesley.. can we have an a.d.d. version please??

stacy, theres a couple of ways to get there. coming from the second sutherlin exit make a right and when you get to 99(landscaping place on the left) make another right. north bank rd(also known as the glide/wilbur cut off) will be a few miles down the road. youll pass the college(ucc), go over the winchester bridge(a dam and a fish ladder are here) and several more exciting things.. you could go down to the college exit as well. anyways... i got my new canon point and shoot in the mail today. maybe tomorrow ill go out and shoot the skid for ya before it goes away. folks did a fairly good job of picking up parts, i didnt find too many. anyways.. feel better.

[wesleyw]

haha everyone's a critic. :-P Thanks Jennifer...haha

[nvoelsch]

I hardly claim to be a scientist

Good god dude did you read what you typed?:freak Something definitely popped in my brain.

[wesleyw]

I think my physics professor would be proud of me, I just squeezed into less than a page what we covered over a week of lectures! :) And I managed not to get into any math harder than multiplication...completely bipassed trig! :D

[tlrmike99]

stacy, theres a couple of ways to get there. coming from the second sutherlin exit make a right and when you get to 99(landscaping place on the left) make another right. north bank rd(also known as the glide/wilbur cut off) will be a few miles down the road. youll pass the college(ucc), go over the winchester bridge(a dam and a fish ladder are here) and several more exciting things.. you could go down to the college exit as well. anyways...


folks did a fairly good job of picking up parts, i didnt find too many. anyways.. feel better.

OK WOW, I gotta step in... He's coming from Eugene, so if he gets off at the second Sutherlin exit, he makes a LEFT over the freeway and down to 99 where he turns right...LOL...

AND.... If he passes UCC and the Winchester Bridge, he's about 2 miles south of North Bank...LOL...

And as for parts, I know where they dropped them all off!!!!:smilewink And Stacy, you have to sign a piece of plastics for my shop wall!!!!! Thats the storage fee!

[Stacya_250]

OK WOW, I gotta step in... He's coming from Eugene, so if he gets off at the second Sutherlin exit, he makes a LEFT over the freeway and down to 99 where he turns right...LOL...

AND.... If he passes UCC and the Winchester Bridge, he's about 2 miles south of North Bank...LOL...

And as for parts, I know where they dropped them all off!!!!:smilewink And Stacy, you have to sign a piece of plastics for my shop wall!!!!! Thats the storage fee!

:smilewink:lol::lol: Ok you two don't get me lost! I now I'm going to need tons of new parts but thats what ebay is for..lol I will bring my sharpie.lol The only thing I'm missing is my knife I'm sure its still out there. but not going to stress if its gone.

[nvoelsch]

The only thing I'm missing is my knife I'm sure its still out there. but not going to stress if its gone.

Shall I be the first to ask where the knife was while you were riding before the excitement?

Now I know NEVER to get Stacy upset because he'll stick ya! :clapping:

And then Mike will cuff him.

And Wes will lecture him.

And his wife will leave him in jail. For the night at least.

Ok ok, I'm going to bed now.

[Stacya_250]

I keep it in my bag. It has came in handy many times. At work and even at the last picknic to cut the cheese. LOL

[tlrmike99]

DUDE!!!! I know you didn't just type "cut the cheese" around this bunch.....

[Stacya_250]

LOL stop it still hurts when I laugh. But it's funny. But with out my knife there would not have been any cheese for the burgers. LoL

[roadrunner]

OK WOW, I gotta step in... He's coming from Eugene, so if he gets off at the second Sutherlin exit, he makes a LEFT over the freeway and down to 99 where he turns right...LOL...

AND.... If he passes UCC and the Winchester Bridge, he's about 2 miles south of North Bank...LOL...
!


omg... so i suppose im not the best direction giver.. lol. when i read your post i was like, of course!! funny how things sound different coming from other folks.. :) :idunno:

[TigerRider]

Thanks Michael . I replay it over and over in my head! I knew I was going to fast to make the corner and didn't see any other safe place to go down. And every thing happens so fast. If I would have just stayed were I was on the pack I wouldn't have crashed. But NO I didn't. And I paid for it. I try not to do the what if thinking but it's hard not to.

Stacy,
Here, let me climb up on this...:soapbox:

I guess I was hoping for a bit more introspection on your part. So far, you're not looking beyond the crash into what really caused it. I'd like to push the issue with you beyond the 'I got a boo-boo owie' stage. If you're serious about being a motorcyclist, you'll understand how close you came to dying out there. And, you'll want to never repeat the experience.

You say you jammed on the brakes. Is there a chance that if you'd squeezed the front gently > harder and applied the rear light > lighter - you could have slowed to a safe speed and counter-steered into and through that turn? I suspect you could have.

There's a saying - "You won't make the turn if you don't try to make the turn." (stolen from another list I frequent)

There's another saying - "Crashing is learning...but, there are less painful ways." (also stolen from another list)

My saying - "Gravity is a harsh mistress...and she always sucks."

Lets look into your crash a bit further, shall we?

How fast (honestly) were you going when you started your crash? 75? 90?

How fast is a safe speed through that corner? I've ridden the road where you crashed. There's only one turn that you have to slow below 30mph to make. (That is on my boingy legged Tiger, not on a sport bike like the one you used to ride.)

With maximum braking, how long does it take to slow your bike from your max passing speed to the safe speed for the corner? Not to a stop - you didn't NEED to stop. You NEEDED to scrub off some speed, then turn.

What would have happened if you'd looked through the corner (where you really wanted to go) vs. looking at the telephone pole? (Your skid mark gives you away, by the way.)

Without being there, but by applying a bunch of years of riding experience, I'll apply a little crash analysis to your biff -

I see a classic case of the following (in the order they appear to have occurred):

a.) Not enough experience riding 'the pace' in a group - group rides are supposed to be mellow rides. They're not a race, they're not a competition to see who gets to the deli first. They're supposed to be fun. Crashing kinda kills the fun. If you're third in line leaving the parking lot, that's where you stay unless you're purposefully waved forward. Read "The Pace" by Nick Ienatsch

http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/flashback/122_0911_the_pace_nick_ienatsch/index.html

b.) Testosterone poisoning - you weren't in the front or even the middle of the group and you wanted to move up. That influenced you to ride above your skill level and attempt a swoop forward. Balls are best played with...well...elsewhere.

c.) Target fixation / panic - when you saw the turn coming up, you saw the turn, the speed at which it was approaching and little else. You ran out of options (in your mind) and your lack of practice / experience bit you hard in the ass. Basically, you were riding beyond your skill level, playing chips you didn't have. Learn how to avoid target fixation. Learn how to tame the Lizard Brain. Ride every ride as if it is a practice session and intentionally work towards bringing a learning attitude to your rides. I'm 53, I've been riding motorcycles since I was 7. Everytime I ride - I learn something new or I practice a skill to maintain proficiency. It's about survival.

d.) Poor braking skills - you let your lizard brain take over the bike, when you lacked the skill to slow the bike for the corner. Grabbing the brakes, jamming the brakes, snatching the brakes - all are bad braking technique, all can kill you. The photos prove that you skidded the rear a LONG ways before leaving the road, and you stayed on the brake while you were off-roading too. Panic will do that. Look in the photo where the skid mark points. That's where you were looking.

e.) Poor cornering skills - you gave up any hint of effort at cornering. No look, roll, push happened because you didn't TRY. Your cornering skills aren't instinctive because you don't practice them EVERY TIME YOU RIDE.

f.) Giving up -Once the lizard brain took over (Panic! ALL STOP! LOOK! YOU'RE GOING TO HIT THAT POLE!!! PANIC! PANIC!), you quit trying to go through the corner. It was at that moment that you began your crash. It didn't have to be that way. The speed you carried would have been scary, but it didn't absolutely have to be a crash. It was a crash once you gave up.

Yes, I know. I'm a harsh bastard. Suck it up. You crashed. If you want to survive on the street - you need to take a serious look at what you did wrong, what caused you to crash and how to avoid crashing in the future.

You made a series of poor choices in the moments leading up to your crash. Acknowledging them, analyzing what was behind those decisions and learning from what happened will make you (and hopefully everyone who reads this thread) a better rider.

I leave you with this gem - Shit happens, keep your head up, keep looking through the corner, keep riding the motorcycle. Never give up.

Get better, go :ride:.

[roadrunner]

omg tiger rider... i think that wins the award for longest post. and i thought wesleys was bad... anyways..
just got back from the scene and stacy i am sorry to say that i did not find your knife. i really went over and over and back again. i piled all of you pieces(and even a penny found heads up) on the fluid spill. just mostly shards of stuff.. the only other things i found was an ignition without a key, might be your rear trunk/deck/seat lock. and the other thing is a 12 volt socket. both of those things were driven into the ground. i caught sight of each but just a little shiny spot. anyways.. i really wanted to find your knife...

[FJMam]

WOW Tiger, give the man a break! Lighten up for land's sake. I'm sure he's aware of all these things and has had plenty of introspection. I wouldn't expect him to get on the forum and bare his soul on the subject. that's what he has family for.

just my 2 cents

[blonde]

omg tiger rider... i think that wins the award for longest post. and i thought wesleys was bad... anyways..
just got back from the scene and stacy i am sorry to say that i did not find your knife. i really went over and over and back again. i piled all of you pieces(and even a penny found heads up) on the fluid spill. just mostly shards of stuff.. the only other things i found was an ignition without a key, might be your rear trunk/deck/seat lock. and the other thing is a 12 volt socket. both of those things were driven into the ground. i caught sight of each but just a little shiny spot. anyways.. i really wanted to find your knife...

Thanks for looking for Stacy's knife that was very nice of you to do!:redface: He is so very lucky!! If he gets back on maybe it should be a moped LOL!! Friday I'm going to go look at the scene of the accident.

[roadrunner]

WOW Tiger, give the man a break! Lighten up for land's sake. I'm sure he's aware of all these things and has had plenty of introspection. I wouldn't expect him to get on the forum and bare his soul on the subject. that's what he has family for.

just my 2 cents



+1,000... armchair analysis should come from the family.

[roadrunner]

Thanks for looking for Stacy's knife that was very nice of you to do!:redface: He is so very lucky!! If he gets back on maybe it should be a moped LOL!! Friday I'm going to go look at the scene of the accident.


youre welcome.. i wish i could have found it... may i suggest a ruckus for his next ride? its a beefy step-through moped-ish bike that goes on and off road!! you could have one too! they are like little bumble bees buzzing around. when i come home after riding, my jaw hurts from smiling so much. :rad:

[Stacya_250]

Trust me tiger when I say it plays over and over in my head. I know I did a bunch of shit wrong. But I can't change the past I have to learn from it. That is if I do ever ride again?
And thank you roadrunner for looking. I was wanting out of the house so I took a drive there. What a hard thing to see. Looking throgh the corner and seen that drop off was a little scary if I had shot the corner and ran out there I'm sure the out come wouldn't be the same.

I'm just greatful i'm still here to post up

[roadrunner]

Wilbur
Man injured in motorcycle crash
a eugene man was injured saturday when he crashed a motorcycle on north bank road. stacey a anderson, 40, was operating a 2000 honda motorcycle near milepost 3 when he crashed at about 4:40 pm, according to a douglas county sheriffs office report. a rider traveling behind anderson pulled up to the scene and found anderson had been thrown over a fence. anderson, who was wearing a helmet, told a deputy that his rear wheel locked up, causing the motorcycle to skid. the man was taken to mercy medical center in roseburg, according to dispatch logs. his condition was not available this morning.


this was in the monday news review. ill cut it out for anyone who might like to keep it.

[roadrunner]

I'm just greatful i'm still here to post up



we all feel the same

[blonde]

Trust me tiger when I say it plays over and over in my head. I know I did a bunch of shit wrong. But I can't change the past I have to learn from it. That is if I do ever ride again?
And thank you roadrunner for looking. I was wanting out of the house so I took a drive there. What a hard thing to see. Looking throgh the corner and seen that drop off was a little scary if I had shot the corner and ran out there I'm sure the out come wouldn't be the same.

I'm just greatful i'm still here to post up

I'm so grateful that you are here with us!!!! I can only imagine how hard it must have been to go to the scene and see it.... as for the right and wrong of what you could have done different sometimes things are unavoidable and you do learn from your mistakes but you are a damn good rider and you know what the heck you are doing when you ride. I know that from experience riding bitch on back and the accident we had with the hit and run accident almost a year ago you knew how to handle that. all in all its not a matter of the what if's I'm just glad that you are here and on your way to recovery.
:angel:

[blonde]

we all feel the same

:smilewink you have that one right we all feel that way... he's a wonderful person and husband don't know what I would do without him..

[TOM-CAT]

Wilbur
Man injured in motorcycle crash
a eugene man was injured saturday when he crashed a motorcycle on north bank road. stacey a anderson, 40, was operating a 2000 honda motorcycle near milepost 3 when he crashed at about 4:40 pm, according to a douglas county sheriffs office report. a rider traveling behind anderson pulled up to the scene and found anderson had been thrown over a fence. anderson, who was wearing a helmet, told a deputy that his rear wheel locked up, causing the motorcycle to skid. the man was taken to mercy medical center in roseburg, according to dispatch logs. his condition was not available this morning.


this was in the monday news review. ill cut it out for anyone who might like to keep it.

Wow dude, your famous. :victory-s

[blonde]

Wow dude, your famous. :victory-s

Yes is is now famous lol

[Stacya_250]

Ok now I did not see that.
I know there was a bunch of crashes but didn't think I would make the news.

[TigerRider]

Ok...I know it seems like I'm flaming Stacy. I'm not.

I've long been a proponent of motorcycle safety. If we don't talk about the crashes, if we fail to learn from the a riders mistakes - how are we ever going to become better riders?

We ALL have a chance to learn from the mistakes that Stacy made. Should we ignore them and go on with our riding lives as if they never happened? I think not.

Crashes are a wake-up call. As riders we can all learn. Or would you rather be next?

Lighten up? Thank you, I'd rather not. Call me a bastard, call me a safety nazi, I don't care. I'm making an effort to get people to take responsibility for their riding. What are you doing to help make riders safer?

[Stacya_250]

I admitted my mistakes and away will! For the most part I do ride my ride. any one that has ridden with me knows that. But most every one know it only take one mistake to do harm to self or others.

But say if you seen some one riding around tshirt and shorts would you chase them down and give them a lecture about it.? don't impose your ideals on other

[TigerRider]

Stacy, I'm not...repeat...NOT flaming you. I'm not trying to "impose my ideals" on anyone. I begging you to take this opportunity to carefully analyze what led up to your crash, then figure out how to prevent a similar crash in the future by applying your newfound insights.

This isn't an attack on you as a person.

I'm simply asking that you be honest with yourself and with this list - tell us what you did wrong, tell us what you could have done instead. Be specific. What you've posted is so damned vague that its pretty much useless.

Let everyone learn.

That's all. No hidden "I hate Stacy" agenda. Its not about you. Really.

Its about learning.

[Stacya_250]

Ok i made many list to myself so I will pick just one!

First I wanted to ride harder then others in front of me, 2 passing when I shouldnt have. 3 coming to the top of the hill seeing the corner and knowing I would not make it. 4 seeing the edge of the corner and didnt want to run out over the clif. so shot for the most open part of the corner. mind you I maybe had less then a second to make my choice! :nutkick

The other things to take in mind is the fact I run a 190 on the back and just changed to a 15 gear in the front. not knowing the road.

[TigerRider]

Ok i made many list to myself so I will pick just one!

First I wanted to ride harder then others in front of me, 2 passing when I shouldnt have. 3 coming to the top of the hill seeing the corner and knowing I would not make it. 4 seeing the edge of the corner and didnt want to run out over the clif. so shot for the most open part of the corner. mind you I maybe had less then a second to make my choice! :nutkick

The other things to take in mind is the fact I run a 190 on the back and just changed to a 15 gear in the front. not knowing the road.


Ok...now we're getting somewhere. :clapping:

What can you do in the future about wanting to ride harder than the others who are in front of you?

How could you change your passing technique?

What can you do about "coming to the top of the hill seeing the corner and knowing I would not make it"? When you're confronted with an unexpected challenge - how could you pre-plan your split second reaction? (You can, you know.)

What could you do about "seeing the edge of the corner" next time? Hint - it has to do with looking where you want to go, not where you don't want to go. You didn't _really_ want to go into that fence...did you?

Your tire change and gearing change had ZERO to with your crash. Excuses that don't hold water. Sorry. You managed to ride through how many corners with the new tire and sprocket combo before you crashed?

Again, this is a huge opportunity to learn. Not only for you to learn. but for other members of ESB to learn.

Thanks! :thumbup:

[Stacya_250]

Oh I'm still going to ride hard! and the fact I didn't know the road! well My dumb ass is not going to ride hard on roads I don't know never have in the past so don't know why I did that day but I did! as for looking where I want to go Da! no shit! I was tring to slide out but it went high on me! Thats why I made my sliders so damm big!
And to have some one pick at me is rubbing me the wrong way! Maybe if you eel such a need to teach people your world rent a class room! I bet no one shows!

[Stacya_250]

If some one chocks on a piece of food Do you write a book on how they can eat better? or how they chew there food wrong? crap! no you make sure there ok and move on with life!:soapbox: NOT go:blah-blah:blah-blah:blah-blah about it!:censored:

As for other people wanting to be better riders they ether take a class or ask people what they do or ride with them to learn by doing what they do.

[blonde]

Stacy, I'm not...repeat...NOT flaming you. I'm not trying to "impose my ideals" on anyone. I begging you to take this opportunity to carefully analyze what led up to your crash, then figure out how to prevent a similar crash in the future by applying your newfound insights.

This isn't an attack on you as a person.

I'm simply asking that you be honest with yourself and with this list - tell us what you did wrong, tell us what you could have done instead. Be specific. What you've posted is so damned vague that its pretty much useless.

Let everyone learn.

That's all. No hidden "I hate Stacy" agenda. Its not about you. Really.

Its about learning.

He is a damn good rider!!! He knows how to react on things but unfortunately he wasn't able to this time, and he might have made a mistake but you shouldn't act like you are trying to attack someone with your comments. Give him a break! he just had a nasty accident and all you seem to worry about his the fault he may have taken. you should just be glad that he is here to post up like the rest of us.

[Stacya_250]

Your tire change and gearing change had ZERO to with your crash. Excuses that don't hold water. Sorry. You managed to ride through how many corners with the new tire and sprocket combo before you crashed?

Again, this is a huge opportunity to learn. Not only for you to learn. but for other members of ESB to learn.

Thanks! :thumbup:

Oh and if you think tires have nothing to do with cornering then you don't know as much as you think you do.

[TigerRider]

Stacy, are you taking the time to actually read what I'm writing?

You know the 'new' rear tire had zero to do with your crash beyond leaving a glorious skid mark. Questioning my knowledge of tires? Really? Are you sure you want to go there? Did I say that tires have nothing to do with cornering? No. I said your change from stock to a 190 had nothing to do with your crash. It didn't. Zero. Nada. Zilch. Again, I ask - how many corners did you ride through between when you installed the 190 and the corner where you crashed? Wait a second! I know! The wider profile tire was standing straight up when you encountered a fierce load of panic, locked the rear brake and crashed. Oops. A mistake.

You know that being unfamiliar with the road had zero to do with your crash beyond you not knowing where were when you crashed. Was it foggy when you crashed? Was visibility limited in some way? Did the turn sneak up on you, suddenly revealing itself to you? No. It was there with its large row of arrow signs, it's approach sign standing tall. You screwed the pooch and made a mistake.

You know that lack of reaction time had zero to do with your crash. You had plenty of reaction time in all those other corners leading up to your crash. What was different this corner? Oh! Wait! I think I know! You made a mistake.

You are grasping for excuses. Looking hard for something, anything to blame for your crash. Look in the mirror. THERE is the reason for your crash.

Riding a motorcycle isn't about making excuses. It is about taking responsibility.

It is obvious to me that you're not willing to do an analysis of your crash. That's unfortunate. A golden opportunity is being lost.

So be it.

Maybe the next rider who crashes will step up. I hope so. Of course, they may crash for the same reason(s) you did. That would kind of suck. Oh well. Too bad for them.

[Stacya_250]

Long winded pos I never said shit about my rear tire being new I have had it a year! And the fact you don't know shit. And really what the f is your true goal here. I freely posted up and you want to turn it in to a stacy bashing time!

[TigerRider]

Stacy, as I've said from my first post - my goal here is to help others learn from your mistakes, so that they don't have to repeat them. Getting defensive on your part is counterproductive.

Yes, you are indeed in the spotlight. You're the one who crashed. But don't think of it as an attack on you or your riding. My efforts are intended to help, not hurt.

All I've been asking for is for you to take a long hard look at what caused your crash and then share with the group what you're learning. So far you haven't been willing to do that. You are interpreting my pressure as bashing - I'm not bashing you. I'm asking you to confront in an honest way, the causes of your crash in very specific ways.

Read what I wrote. Answer the questions I asked. Don't misread my intent or try to deflect your anger onto me. I'm not the one who crashed. You did.

I wish you luck with your healing, I hope you have learned _something_ from your crash. I hope you will eventually recognize what I've asked you to do.

[FJMam]

Lord, how did this get sooooo.....ugly?

Tiger, we all like to learn from mistakes. Hopefully others and not ours. But maybe we feel like you're badgering us into the conversation, I don't know. It's my experience with this group of riders that we care and do discuss these things. There have been more then a few times the death or injury of our own has been openly discussed.
I'm not even sure I've ridden with you. Do you come out and play with the rest of us? Please introduce yourself next time so I can get a connection to you.

I'm less then stellar on the bike but I've been a safe rider with no mishaps to report in over 28 years. I'd gladly take any pointers you have for me. I've learned a hell of alot from these riders and I thank them all for that.

I think many of us felt the need to protect Stacy because we have ridden with him and feel a kinship as family for him.

I see you started this discussion on a different thread. I hope it does not escalate to nastieness as well. We do try to keep a civil tounge here and respect each other.

Happy riding to all.
I'm done on this subject.
FJ

[roadrunner]

i think we should breathe!!!! tigerrider has taken it upon himself to armchair this accident.. i CANT remember his last post...
sounds like stacy happens to be the whipping boy. i think it wouldnt matter who crashed, tigerrider would chime in.. lets learn whatever it is were supposed to learn and MOVE ON with this.. (the cornhole-ing incident at the rhody fest last year didnt cause this much comotion for dogs sake!! why didnt we hear about that??) anyways... stacy..your esb family supports you, and were here not necessarily to make an example of you. we are all human.

[TigerRider]

I am of the opinion that there are a lot of riders who are missing the point of this whole exercise.

First - Stacy is the "whipping boy" because he's the one who crashed (this time).

Second - yes, you're right - it wouldn't matter who crashed. I will chime in. I have a right to do so. No, I have a responsibility to do so. I want to see all riders become better, safer riders.

Third - the corn-holing incident after Rhody fest was swept under the rug. I didn't chime in because I was hoping someone else would raise the flag. Nobody did. That's unfortunate.

Last - being human isn't a license to get away with stupid or dangerous behavior. Stacy was damned lucky he didn't kill himself or any of the riders around him. I'm not going to mince words or dance around that. He dodged a bullet and it is only because of pure luck that he's here to argue with me.

Taking the time to do a crash analysis is an adult approach to rider safety. I'm not a prude, I know how much fun it is to ride quickly, to push the limits, to get the heart pumping. But, I'm also aware how quickly things can go awry.

Those of you who are defending Stacy as if I'm attacking him are missing the point. I never said he was a bad rider. I simply asked him to carefully look at what led up to his crash. Nothing more. Talking about and exploring ways to avoid crashes is of huge benefit to the riding community. Would you all rather keep your heads in the sand and pretend what we do is perfectly safe?

Support comes in many forms. I support and encourage all riders. I always have and always will. All I ask in return is that they fully accept the responsibilities of riding.

I will continue to push riders post crash to confront the cause of their crash. Hopefully, they and you will learn from the dialogue.

If you're embarrassed by crashing - you should be. It's a humbling moment.

Shake it off. Learn from it. Ride better because of it.

[roadrunner]

ech

[Stacya_250]

Ok this is pissing me off! I posted up becauce I had my own message to get out! But no some corn hole had to jack it to preach there own aganda!

Yes I did some thing I shouldn't have! But I did! Ya I got really lucky! My message was about "gear"!!! And how important it is! I know my injeries would have been much greater! But No this long winded corn hole that thinks he is a one man fix every body thinking. And by him doing so will make others not want to post because they would not want the grilling like I got! And beleave me I wish I hadn't posted!!!!

[blonde]

I am of the opinion that there are a lot of riders who are missing the point of this whole exercise.

First - Stacy is the "whipping boy" because he's the one who crashed (this time).

Second - yes, you're right - it wouldn't matter who crashed. I will chime in. I have a right to do so. No, I have a responsibility to do so. I want to see all riders become better, safer riders.

Third - the corn-holing incident after Rhody fest was swept under the rug. I didn't chime in because I was hoping someone else would raise the flag. Nobody did. That's unfortunate.

Last - being human isn't a license to get away with stupid or dangerous behavior. Stacy was damned lucky he didn't kill himself or any of the riders around him. I'm not going to mince words or dance around that. He dodged a bullet and it is only because of pure luck that he's here to argue with me.

Taking the time to do a crash analysis is an adult approach to rider safety. I'm not a prude, I know how much fun it is to ride quickly, to push the limits, to get the heart pumping. But, I'm also aware how quickly things can go awry.

Those of you who are defending Stacy as if I'm attacking him are missing the point. I never said he was a bad rider. I simply asked him to carefully look at what led up to his crash. Nothing more. Talking about and exploring ways to avoid crashes is of huge benefit to the riding community. Would you all rather keep your heads in the sand and pretend what we do is perfectly safe?

Support comes in many forms. I support and encourage all riders. I always have and always will. All I ask in return is that they fully accept the responsibilities of riding.

I will continue to push riders post crash to confront the cause of their crash. Hopefully, they and you will learn from the dialogue.

If you're embarrassed by crashing - you should be. It's a humbling moment.

Shake it off. Learn from it. Ride better because of it.

Ok I've had about enough of you chiming in and going totally way out of line. You don't seem to know when to shut up. yes you have a right to your opinion but at the same time you need to be respectful on here and quit criticizing this whole thing. you should have sent a private message to stacy and kept this drama in private but no you just have to be an ass about it and act like a know it all. so just drop what ever else you think you need to say and let it go enough is enough. how the hell would you feel if it were you?? Everyone will be supportable of Stacy no matter what happened! people in this group stick together as a family. We all know that Stacy knows how the ride and including me, I have ridden bitch with him numerous times and don't think that I wont get back on bitch with him again when and if he decides to ride again. I've said me piece now so respect my opionion and stop your childness replies!!

[Flyte Risk]

I so saw this coming.

Stacy, grab a painkiller and relax, you need it.

Blonde, Ease up a bit. I know you are dealing with the aftermath of a loved one making a oops but everyone here has good intentions.

Tiger. I don't even know where to start. Why don't you just send him a PM and ask if you can come over and kick his dog? Stacy knows what he did wrong. For you to even have said what you think to have happened is amazing to me. The only person who will ever truely know that is Stacy, let him learn from that and let him share his mistakes with others for them to learn from.

With that this thread will be taking a break for a day or three. Please PM me if you (meaning anyone) has an issue with that.