racers

[roadrunner]

hey all... so im looking for a racer type to have chats with. ive asked all of the track day peeps i know for insight with little and no success.. i know there are a few racers here, maybe you have a bit of time to discuss riding??

[Flyte Risk]

Might help if you say what you are interested in hearing about

[roadrunner]

Might help if you say what you are interested in hearing about


right this second its delayed entry and for a specific, how you use throttle in corners.. ive been doing my homework, both in print and on bike with this. it seems that there are several techniques with the throttle in use... as for the delayed entry, its like the corner becomes more of a 'V' and edgy. it certianly does make a difference in the exit(of course).. id love to follow someone who rides like that. right now im not doing high speed(im saving that for the track hehe) but im still able to go deep. its been a bit unsettling to start with but as i see it working, its getting better. its just different. ive always push-pulled and to go with that im working on weighting.. anyways... back to throttle...
im sure this is all newbie beginner riff raff but for me i learn better from others.. anything you have to add would be great. i seem to be met with a wall when it comes to racing. on the strip, other racers let me do stuff that could possibly have hurt me and it was always their S.O.'s that helped me out. ive never figured out why. well, the one gal that showed up on her intruder(!!) had big, uuuh, had a big front end and they all fell over each other going to help her out.. maybe i need a boob job to get some help???
back to business.....

[poisonivyR1]

right this second its delayed entry and for a specific, how you use throttle in corners.. ive been doing my homework, both in print and on bike with this. it seems that there are several techniques with the throttle in use... as for the delayed entry, its like the corner becomes more of a 'V' and edgy. it certianly does make a difference in the exit(of course).. id love to follow someone who rides like that. right now im not doing high speed(im saving that for the track hehe) but im still able to go deep. its been a bit unsettling to start with but as i see it working, its getting better. its just different. ive always push-pulled and to go with that im working on weighting.. anyways... back to throttle...
im sure this is all newbie beginner riff raff but for me i learn better from others.. anything you have to add would be great. i seem to be met with a wall when it comes to racing. on the strip, other racers let me do stuff that could possibly have hurt me and it was always their S.O.'s that helped me out. ive never figured out why. well, the one gal that showed up on her intruder(!!) had big, uuuh, had a big front end and they all fell over each other going to help her out.. maybe i need a boob job to get some help???
back to business.....


i'm not sure i understand the question of throttle use going deep into a corner
as for the V shape it's more like squaring it off
if you could clairify a little i'll try to answer some of your question

[roadrunner]

i'm not sure i understand the question of throttle use going deep into a corner
as for the V shape it's more like squaring it off
if you could clairify a little i'll try to answer some of your question


squaring it off... :thumbup: MUCH better!! :clapping: i had the wrong letter. thats gonna be helpful.. :rad: :thumbup: :bow:

and for the throttle.. whats your technique? ive been trying out coming off of it to fall into and coming on to stand up. i never have been hard on and off ive always tried to be smooth.

so it helps me to get to talk about this. i read and reread and ride and ride again but i dont get to just talk about it. the little thing, the passing stuff. valuable...

i hear theres a thunder hill day coming up??

[Flyte Risk]

Once I start dipping the bike in I'm already back on the gas even if it's just a little. Using to help control my line, once I pass the apex it's more throttle while standing the bike up as much as I can, still using the throttle to make fine adjustments to my line. If at any point I feel something that isn't right I choke back on the throttle just a smidge.

Of course being that I have a slipper clutch I can and do ride alot differently then what you can without one I haul ass into the corner, jam down gears as I'm getting there, throw it down and around I go. With the slipper I don't have to worry about my ground speed in relation to RPM of clutch control.

As Dale put it on OSB today when speaking of his Ducati
The most recent upgrades were the wheels and the (slipper) clutch and I cannot say enough good things about those upgrades. They transformed the bike, took it to an entirely new level of badass. Those of you that think you don't need a slipper clutch on the street, think again. It's like riding a two-stroke going into corners now. No worry about wheel hop whatsoever. Bang downshifts with impunity and select your gear based solely one the gear that you want to be in to get the best drive out of the corner

For you, I'd say to concentrate on your lines and using the throttle to fine tune them for now. Make sure to be as smooth as possible and that is how you will achieve the speed increase. It's no different when riders ask how to get a knee down. Smooth = speed. Speed & form = knee down on a sportbike.

That help any?

[roadrunner]

That help any?

of course it did :thumbup:..

at one time i did consider putting a slipper on the bike but didnt go too far with it. i totaly understand its operation and use and i can certianly see its benefits. i suppose ill have to be a bit more sensitive in that department for now.
i totally get speed. i thought that was the way you were supposed to ride. heh yesterday i saw a guy with passenger whack the throttle and i thought his rider might have collected some seriopus whiplash at that point. anyways..
is your style more off the bike?

[roadrunner]

btw.. thank you for the chat and pms. very very helpful to a person who wants to ride better and get to track it. i really appreciate the input from the folks in the know

[poisonivyR1]

yes smooth is every thing
and flyte is right as i'm tipping the bike into the coner i'm back on to maintence throttle and as soon as i can i'm back into the gas as far as i can go without spinning up the rear tire but that's at the track

[roadrunner]

do you think carbed bikes are at a disadvantage to the injected bikes? have other issues??

[Rashmaster13]

No, actually a good set of carbs properly tuned usually have better on/off characteristics. Injected bikes are just more easily tuned by the masses.

[roadrunner]

lean angles have no dealings with carbs?

[Flyte Risk]

Centrifigul... no

Centrifagu... not it

centrifigal... dam it!

You know that whole centrifi... oh how ever you spell it force thing keeps the fuel in the bowls at a more even level then you think. 10 years ago alot of pro race bikes were still carbed.

[Rashmaster13]

10 years ago just about all race bikes were carbed aside from maybe the Suzuki.

[wesleyw]

I believe flyte you are looking for more generallized "force" involving inertia and momentum, since centrifugal force doesn't really exist... :P Its imaginary, but this imaginary "force" is indeed what keeps the fuel level 'normal' in the float bowl and for that matter the tank as well... The force you feel when you go around a corner in a car or are riding a merry-go-round out on the edges is actually just your natural tendency to go in a straight line...try it sometime, get on a merry-go-round that is moving at a good clip, and hold a tennis ball out at arms length, then let go of it. You will notice that it goes in a straight line from where you released it...Newton's famous 3 laws deal with this tendency, even if you are at a constant speed on the merry-go-round, or in a corner on your motorcycle, there is a force acting on you to curve your motion, which without this accelerating force (yeah, confusing I know), would have been in a straight line. ;) Sorry nathan, took more than two lines to flesh that one out for ya.

[roadrunner]

Centrifigul... no

Centrifagu... not it

centrifigal... dam it!

You know that whole centrifi... oh how ever you spell it force thing keeps the fuel in the bowls at a more even level then you think. 10 years ago alot of pro race bikes were still carbed.


i wouldnt have guessed centrifugal force. moving out from center?? interesting.

[Flyte Risk]

Wes, you can kiss my gyroscope.

[wesleyw]

I love it when you talk dirty to me...rawr! :-P

[roadrunner]

so throttle blips are gonna have me shifting super slow!! i throttle off 3 or 4 mm shift and back full on. the revs dont come down but for maybe 2 or 300 if that.

so no blip if the revs match??

[dansrc51]

up or down shifting. If your up shifting, you preload the shift lever with about 5-7 pounds of pressure. drop of the throttle a hair and it will snick into gear. Down shifting is when you want to blip the throttle to match engine speed to road speed.

[Flyte Risk]

Shift technique (up or down) is going to vary by what bike you are on. For upshifts, however, you should not blip the throttle.

[roadrunner]

up or down. the bike gets into gear very very easy. got it for the ups flyte.
and funny for the downs.. i think ive already been doing it. this bike gets into gear so very easy. ive found with the downs that my revs are alreayy at where they need to be for downshift. im off to check it out a bit more. ty

[roadrunner]

im thinking that the downshift blip would be to get into a gear youd like to be in off the corner not just each single down shift, correct??

[poisonivyR1]

i blip on the down shift
that's the only time i use the clutch
except for starts 2
the down shift blip is a personal prefernce
some people roll off pull in clutch and bang em down