Tim Russell Tull D 09/16/2009

[ZX-14]

From what I gleaned off the Internet, he was from Springfield, OR, 21 years old and rode a cruiser. His helmet came off in the crash!?! And my wife has some of his family as clients and said that he had recenty got his endorsment.

[nvoelsch]

He went to school in our school district, so he's been a conversation in our office lately. A couple coworkers went by the disabled car probably moments before the wreck. Sad.

[willcbr600rr]

sketchy details what all happened??

[ZX-14]

According to my wife he layer the bike down avoiding a disabled vehicle that was partialy blocking the lane.

[Z1-2dream]

R.I.P. Homie. I'm gonna do a wheelie today just for you!

[FJMam]

I don't do local NEWS.
I'm sad to hear we've lost another young person to motorcycling.

Is this escalating? Or is it just being publicized more?

[willcbr600rr]

Was this the accident that was on Beltline the other day?

[blonde]

Yes it happened on belt line the other day... it was a sad deal R.I.P T. TULL..



Was this the accident that was on Beltline the other day?

[roadrunner]

Is this escalating? Or is it just being publicized more?


both

[wesleyw]

I heard a dirty rumor that motorcycle crashes are up, but the number of motorcycles on the road is up too, so...always sad though to hear of another one biting the dust, young, old, new, experienced, its always a sad day!

[ZX-14]

Here is a picture...

[roadrunner]

According to my wife he layer the bike down avoiding a disabled vehicle that was partialy blocking the lane.


is that still the story?

[ZX-14]

is that still the story?

That is consistent with what I've heard from various sources. He had his endorsement for 1 day and was riding fast, changed lanes and came upon a stalled vehicle partially blocking the lane.http://www.eugenesportbike.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif

[Xusia]

So sad to me. Most of us ride a bit fast from time to time. It's just damned unfortunate the consequences this time were so high. :(

[89zx6er]

IMHO, i think has a lot to do with respect of younger people, Im not old by any means, ut i was raised old school, you respect things that can kisk you a@# and kill you, It seems the few 20 something riders i've met it is all about ego, fast and furiouse on 09 r1's, no experience and a race bike, sad but bound to happen, I really don't want the gov involved but i think regulations on cc for new riders would help, just my two cents
RIP

[Xusia]

When I started riding (we won't say how long ago that was!) Oregon had 2 different endorsements: One for any size bike, and one only for smaller bikes (499cc or less, if I recall). I'm not sure when it went away, but as I recall part of the reason was most bikes being made were over 500cc, making it a meaningless law.

I'm certain there will be those that disagree with me on this - and before anyone screams I KNOW there are plenty of people who have started out on larger bikes and been fine (I'm one of them!) - but I believe it would be better overall if there was a requirement to own a smaller bike (not just have your license) for a couple years prior to owning and being legally allowed to ride larger bikes. In an ideal world, the specific size limit would take into account a variety of factors, and ideally would be different for different classifications of bikes (that is, 600cc limit might be fine for a sportbike, whereas 800cc might be more appropriate for a cruiser...). The complexity of doing this effectively makes a useful law unlikely, rendering this a mostly moot point...

[TOM-CAT]

The age limited licensing that they use in the UK and other parts of Europe, should be applied here. Some of those 125-150s are COOL little bikes. There just isn't a market for them here, since everyone wants a BIG bike. Legislation could create a market for these bikes, state side. But I fear the implementation of any legislation. Here is a case of the "slippery slope", that truly is as slippery as one would fear.

:2cents:

[wesleyw]

I too started out on bigger bikes (granted, dinosaur bikes by most of your standards, but still old-school liter-bikes will kick your ass in the blink of an eye)...and having watched more than a few of my 20-something ego-driven friends seriously hurt (and in a couple cases, kill) themselves, I find it hard to disagree with 89zx6er's comment...however, like several of the other members here, I fear Big Daddy stickin' his nose into things. Besides that, how are you going to regulate such a law? Hell, most of the people that I know of that are riding around with no endorsement have been for years, they just don't get pulled over. If you ain't caught, it ain't illegal, right? :P All jokes aside, it'd be easy to control it by making it a law that dealerships have to abide by, but once you wander into the private sector, those sorts of laws get thrown to the wind. I agree that to some extent, something could or maybe should be done, but like my dad has pointed out to me on a number of cold-hearted but true discussions, natural selection has a way of catching up to people. It's unfortunate, I've lost a couple friends, but people will find ways to get themselves in over their heads...I can only hope they don't take me or anyone else with them when they go.

I should point out that this is in no way a judgement on anyone's riding or crashes...I've had a few downs as well, we all make mistakes...some of us are just more lucky than others...so don't flame me! :D

[89zx6er]

I agree, that "big brother" is very ill equiped to deal with our problem, maybe trac training to go along with the team oregon class would help, i.e. 1 day class;1-day road, 1-day trac, teach other tequiniques. The few people I know that have trac day experience can out ride a lot of people, I don't know if they look at thing different or are better judges of there limits, I may also be wrong all together but that is just my experience, on the other side... kids have been trying to kill themselves forever, and very few rules and regs have changed that, I really hope they read some of the accidents listed on these sites and learn from them, it only takes one..

[Xusia]

Those with track experience *MAY* be able to go around a corner faster, but that's not really what's under discussion here - at least not in my mind. My concern is that new riders have less experience and skill in dealing with emergency situations - situations that by and large don't exist on the track because it is well kept. With a more powerful bike, trouble only comes along more quickly AND easily, and new riders are therefore simply more likely to find themselves in a situation they don't yet have the skill or experience to safely get themselves out of. Experience on the track (over time) may help develop those necessary skills, but it's the practice that makes the difference, not the initial training. I just don't think there is any sort of training that could adequately and properly prepare someone - it's all about time on the bike. Hence my opinion about limiting the allowed size for a period of time. I hope that make sense.

Still, as has been iterated by many, I do NOT trust the lawmakers to make a good law. I am certain they would muck it up...

[TOM-CAT]

Those with track experience *MAY* be able to go around a corner faster, but that's not really what's under discussion here - at least not in my mind. My concern is that new riders have less experience and skill in dealing with emergency situations - situations that by and large don't exist on the track because it is well kept. With a more powerful bike, trouble only comes along more quickly AND easily, and new riders are therefore simply more likely to find themselves in a situation they don't yet have the skill or experience to safely get themselves out of. Experience on the track (over time) may help develop those necessary skills, but it's the practice that makes the difference, not the initial training. I just don't think there is any sort of training that could adequately and properly prepare someone - it's all about time on the bike. Hence my opinion about limiting the allowed size for a period of time. I hope that make sense.

Still, as has been iterated by many, I do NOT trust the lawmakers to make a good law. I am certain they would muck it up...

:clapping: Agreed, on all points.