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R-666
12-06-2006, 12:12 PM
A local rider was killed lastnight. Her made a misjudgment in chooseing to elude springfield police down main street. He colided with a VW Jetta at approx. 120mph to 130 mph at the intersection of 60th in thurston. He broke every bone n his body and was pronounced dead a few short minutes later. He was on a 05' GSXR 750 anniversary edition. He worked at Ramsey Waite co. as a sales man, His name was justin. I dont have any more info at this time. Me and some friends happen to at 76 gas station on 41st and main when he went by, we then heard him gear down when the officer began pursuit, we then proceded to where the accident happend. His bike was distoyed and had split into multiple peices, including frame which completely detached at the neck/triple clamp area. Justin was nice kid, not sure why he chose to run but Its unfortunate to see this happen. Seeing him roled over and attended to by paramedics was reminder enough of why tyhe gamble is not worth it.
RIP Justin- May you suffer no more.
Justin was a good guy. That was incredibly hard to see him in that condition last night. At least he's in a better place now where he can ride as hard and as fast as he could every dream of. Him and his family are in my prayers.
RIP buddy
It's so sad he had to pay the ultimate price for a bad decision...
My condolence to his family.
RIP
ButtnPushnMonky
12-06-2006, 01:04 PM
I'm very sorry to hear about Justin. It's always sad to hear about one of us going down, especially when it's fatal. My condolences to his family.....
Fly n Hawaiian
12-06-2006, 02:08 PM
I met him at the shop, and spoke to him on the phone many times, may he rest in peace! My condolences to his family and friends.
Mason:angel:
chakup
12-06-2006, 03:22 PM
damn freaked me the hell out- I know one of the guys that works there and reading this was hoping wasn't him. I don't think I knew Justin, but damn man. RIP
OmegaGSXR
12-06-2006, 03:44 PM
I have actually spoken to him a few times before at the Yamaha dealership, he seemed like a really nice guy. I'm very sorry to have heard about this. Best wishes to his family.
-Mario
Willixer600
12-06-2006, 03:44 PM
OMG!! Justin sold me my Street bike. He was a very cool and nice guy.:frown: Thats awfull this happend. He was a very good guy and this sucks to read this......... I feal really bad for his family, and I hope no one makes the same mistake. RIP Justin.:wtf:
TOM-CAT
12-06-2006, 04:21 PM
WOW, can't think of much more to say....Honest mistake, but a fatal mistake all the same. I don't wanna lecture, so I will let this story to do all the lecturing.
RIP Justin - peace be with his family. :frown:
Summer4ever
12-06-2006, 04:38 PM
How horrible! I knew Justin, not really well, but he was a "MySpace" friend and I talked with him every time I was in RW. He was a really nice guy. I am so sad to hear that he is gone. Justin I hope that you are in a happier place now.
Jane Honda
12-06-2006, 05:38 PM
Oh man....This is the worst news fellow riders could hear. Im so sorry to hear this. My Deepest sympathy to all involved.
lotsamtbottls
12-06-2006, 06:36 PM
this was such a sad thing to read... i've met him before and he was a really nice guy. i'm so sorry to hear that this happened to him. i hope his family and friends are doing well...
jilted-R6
12-06-2006, 07:17 PM
Here's the report. i will keep you posted. It was extremely hard for me to see him like that, he was actually an extremely good friend of mine. He will be missed greatly. May your soul ride free Justin, I love ya man.:mecry:
Motorcycle Rider Dies After Fleeing From Police
BY ANDREW PADULA -
SPRINGFIELD, Ore. --
A Springfield man died while trying to out run police on his motorcycle.
It all started around 9:30 Wednesday night.
A quick pursuit that police terminated because of the dangerous speeds the motorcycle was traveling.
In the end 20-year-old Justin Nathanial Cutright died after crashing that bike.
Police say an officer spotted the speeding motorcycle near 48th and Main.
The officer tried to catch up, but the motorcycle sped off.
Police say the motorcycle even ran a red light at Highway 126.
That's when the officer pulled off the chase.
They eventually caught up with the motorcycle after it was involved in a crash at 58th Street and Main.
"Apparently the motorcyclists tried to pass a vehicle in what would be the bike lane going eastbound on main. it's doing over a hundred miles an hour at that point," said Sgt. Brent Carpenter, with the Springfield Police Department.
Police believe the vehicle tried to turn into the driveway at the Burger King and that's when the car hit the motorcycle.
Cutright was thrown several feet from his bike.
He died at the scene.
The people in the car were not hurt.
Police say they don't know why Cutright tried to run.
They do know he was driving without a valid driver's license.
The investigation continues.
TL_Jester
12-06-2006, 07:35 PM
Michelle and I would like to say our thought's and prayer's go out to his family and friends... When accidents like this happens it really hits close to home for all of us.
MsLilly
12-06-2006, 07:49 PM
It is so sad when someone so young dies. I want to see all of you grow old...like Tom & I! So, please ride safe. My thoughts and best wishes for his family. There is nothing so hard as the loss of your child.
dansrc51
12-06-2006, 09:02 PM
well, it's always hard to see a fellow rider go. It's even harder given the circumstances. RIP Justin, prayers to you and your family.
R-666
12-06-2006, 11:42 PM
That info is false, they told me at the scene he was caught speeding near 28th and main, he went by us on 41st at about 60mph, 10 seconds later and springfield officer was after him- no lights on but he was high tail after him...
lotsamtbottls
12-07-2006, 04:18 AM
ron- i'm not surprised that the article had false information... they always like to make the police sound like these holier-than-thou protectors of the streets, when more often than not, that isnt the case at all... and we all know they like to make motorcyclists into the bad guys, no matter what the situation. its always our fault. always.
Summer4ever
12-07-2006, 06:30 AM
I don’t know the source of this article. If it's from a reporter, I have no doubts that some of the information is erroneous. They are notorious for not checking even the smallest of facts, but I very strongly disagree that they make the cops “holier-than-thou”. The local liberal news--media is FAR from being supportive of our police officers. The cop was doing his job. I am pretty sure he feels terrible about what happened. We all make choices and have consequences from those choices. Even though I believe it comes from a good place… sadness that a friend lost his life… lets not shift the responsibility for what happened.
lotsamtbottls
12-07-2006, 07:03 AM
i'm not trying to shift responsibility here at all. justin made a poor decision and he paid for it, i'm not saying that its ever a good idea to run from the cops... just that a lot of times the media makes things out to sound a lot different than they really are.
Jane Honda
12-07-2006, 08:09 AM
May I say that, Although you SHOULDNT run from the police, its very reasonable to understand WHY people do it? Think about it. People are STRUGGLING as it is to get by. Most of us have a hard time paying our bills with even two incomes. Our children are being raised by strangers because we cant afford the loss of income for one of the parents to stay home and raise that child. You couldnt afford to pay your insurance bill this month because feeding your family was more important. You ride a motorcycle to work everyday, even in the rain, because you cant even afford the gas it would cost to drive a car now days. Then one day, youre going 10 miles an hour over the speed limit (and ALL OF YOU DO IT), and some traffic junkie cop decides hes doing his job of "Protecting and serving" the land, and goes after you. You know you cant afford to have your bike impounded, you cant afford to have even MORE food taken off of your table by the court system, and you cant afford to lose your job because youre going to jail and cant make it to work the next morning. So you run.
Im sorry, but things need to change all around. People shouldnt live in that kind of fear in a country as (Supposedly) as great as ours.
I wasnt there, but I dont believe for one second that officer "Called off the chase". When was the last time any of you heard of that happening in Eugene or Springfield? Hell, the last one I remember, the officers involved even stopped at a coffee stand where others of you were sitting and minding your own business and harrassed all of you tring to find out who it was.
Good discussion though. Im glad to see you all talking about it openly. Lets hear more opinions....
chakup
12-07-2006, 10:05 AM
wait wait wait- your struggling to get by not being able to eat so knowingly break the law?? So at what point does it become OK to steal to keep food on the table, or rob someone?
I think it's sad what happened, but like was said. The officer was doing his job, and the rider made his decision. I know I'm not a good enough rider to even think about running, so it's not an option to me. I know some who have and they know the risk they take when they twist the throttle.
It's totally my opinion...but I still think he was caught off guard when the cop caught up to him. Before the cop flipped on his siren around 42nd st., Justin was just crusing along like he didn't know the cop was behind him. I know if that was me it would have startled the crap out of me. Times like that you don't really have much time to think through what you're going to do. You either pull over right there or run...with no time to think through all of the consequenses that may come up due to the location you're in (i.e. a busy street like the one he was on). It's something that could easily happen to anyone, and no one should be blamed for what happened. Even if the cops hadn't called off the chase right away like they said they did, it's not like they would have been right there with him. He was definatly gettin' on it and would have still been haulin @$$ wether the cop was back there trying to keep up or had slowed down and called it off.
Just my $.02 though
Xusia
12-07-2006, 11:15 AM
To respond to what Mike said, I think the heart of the issue is that local law enforcement seems to take a punish rather than prevention approach. To me, it seems like they wait around for you to make the slightest mistake, then cite the hell out of you for it even if you're not placing anyone in danger. My view is that laws exist to keep citizens safe, and while not coming to COMPLETE stop at a stop sign is technically against the law there is little harm if done at 3am when there are no other cars in sight. I think law enforcement should exercise the gray matter between their ears and be able to make the distinction and act appropriately in the best interest of the citizens as a whole. Harrassing people when there is no real harm being done just doesn't make sense to me.
Jane Honda
12-07-2006, 12:11 PM
Well said Xusia. I firmly believe that there are laws on the books now days that have absolutely no business being there. I mean if youre going to go after someone for what MAY have happened because of their actions, the you need to go after the Drain-O company because of what MAY happen if someone drinks it. Yea, perhaps he may have had or caused a wreck for going 10 miles per hour over the speed limit. And Yes it was wrong of him to run, and yes, he paid the dearest price for his actions. But as Xusia said, It seems like law enforcement everywhere have lost their perspective. If we all honestly felt that they were out there to "protect us" rather than out there as some kind of preditor in waiting, then perhaps more people would be more willing to gladly cooperate with law enforcment. But as things stand right now, its truely all a money game. The more citations written, the more money the county makes, and the more money in budget the county can ask for next year, and thereby lining the "Higher Ups" pockets. I mean if the government TRUELY wanted to solve the problem, every vehicle in America would have a speed control chip installed that would prevent that vehicle from going over the speed limit. OH but wait! That would put ALOT of law enforcement officers out of work wouldnt it? OH! and it would SAVE the county money by putting those law enforcment officers out of work. But honestly, since when is the county interested in saving money? Get real.
Chakup, I never said it was the right thing for this poor unfortunatel man to do. Its WRONG to run. DONT run. Take your licks like a man. But I truely can understand the mentality behind it.
ButtnPushnMonky
12-07-2006, 01:02 PM
Not to stray off topic or anything, but don't fault the officers for doing their job. Justin did something dumb and paid for it with his life.
That's all.
We all do dumb things sometimes, and this time it bit him in the ass hard.
Let's get back to the point at hand. Don't Do Dumb Things.
And stop blaming the 'System' or the 'Man' for keeping us down.
RIP Justin
dansrc51
12-07-2006, 01:41 PM
Not to stray off topic or anything, but don't fault the officers for doing their job. Justin did something dumb and paid for it with his life.
That's all.
We all do dumb things sometimes, and this time it bit him in the ass hard.
Let's get back to the point at hand. Don't Do Dumb Things.
And stop blaming the 'System' or the 'Man' for keeping us down.
RIP Justin
+1 big time. I respect your opinions mike and xusia, but I disagree with both of you. Next time you go on a group ride, stop and find out how many police officers are with us (no it's not me). Most of them ride too, and they are getting fed the f$#K up with squidly behaviour that makes us all look bad. we all know that if you choose to speed, you choose to become a target. Take it to the back roads, take it to the track, but nighttime on main street without a license..... well, I'm just sorry that Justin lost his life. Now it's his family and the motorcycling community that have to deal with the fall out of his actions. just my opinion.
RIP Justin...this really sucks. I had a few people last night texting ans asking me if I knew who it was that went down and died, and they weren't even in the biking community. This just shows how tight of a community we are, no matter the issues we may have with each other. It's trully sad to see someone go down, no matter what the outcome or reasons behind it. Prayers and thougths go out to all him family and friends. Careful riding out there guys, our actions affect everyone out there, those riding and those not.
TOM-CAT
12-07-2006, 04:42 PM
I think that it is dialog like this that will help educate each one of us, so that if we find ourselves in a situation similar to Justin’s, we will hopefully make a more educated decision.
On the cops, are they angels or a$$holes? On the one hand it has been proven that individuals, who thrive on power and control, are drawn towards law enforcement and military type careers. However, law enforcement and military type careers are still hailed as some of the most noble and honorable careers, and rightfully so. For those officers and service man and women who go to work ever day for no other reason then to know that they made a difference, I solute and thank you. So there are always going to be people on both sides of the spectrum. Whether or not the officer is motivated by a power hunger, or a genuine concern for public safety, can’t have very much bearing on the evaluation of the actions he or she takes.
Do I think the officer called of the pursuit? Honestly no, but does it really matter. It sounds like the whole situation was over almost before it began. So I don’t thing that anything shy of the officer never having been there, would have change how the situation ended. I can only imagine that the officer, assuming that he is one of the latter described peace officers, is anything less than devastated over this whole incident. He is probably wondering what if… I agree Mike, going 10mph over the speed limit shouldn’t wind up with someone dying, and I suspect that the officer is thinking the same thing. I would just like to believe that if this same officer saw a fellow officer going 10mph over the speed limit, he would execute his duties just as diligently as he did in Justin’s case. But I think we all know that is NEVER the care.
It is very true that many officers ride, and also that many officers break the law. Many cities and municipalities have bought and installed red light and speed cameras only to have to take them down, because of the high number of photos of marked and unmarked police vehicles that were being caught on camera “Breaking the Law.” But I can’t imagine a single one of them ever received a citation. I don’t like double standards if I am on the shorter end of the stick. So until I am a federal government agent, I will continue to complain about the selective prosecution that takes place. ALL OR NONE! If I have to pay for breaking the law, so should everyone else who does the same thing!
poisonivyR1
12-07-2006, 05:27 PM
i'm speechless about the loss of life
on the other hand the leo was just doing the job he is payed for
RIP justin:angel:
Danyelle
12-07-2006, 05:31 PM
Justin was an absolute sweetheart. I was just in there talking to him saturday :(.
R.I.P J, You will definitely be missed.
Summer4ever
12-07-2006, 06:30 PM
Not to stray off topic or anything, but don't fault the officers for doing their job. Justin did something dumb and paid for it with his life.
That's all.
We all do dumb things sometimes, and this time it bit him in the ass hard.
Let's get back to the point at hand. Don't Do Dumb Things.
And stop blaming the 'System' or the 'Man' for keeping us down.
RIP Justin
+∞ :thumbup:
***The only persons actions you can change are your own.*** :rolleyes:
Tom-Cat... I was married to a cop for about 6 years, and my drivers license was registered to the police station. During that time I got a ticket for going 11 mph over... and he was a jerk about it too. Even though I was far from excited about getting a ticket, I knew the risks. (And yes, I was let off once also, but so are alot of people that don't have city hall on their ODL.:D )
And I also want to clarify, that even though he ran and paid the price, Justin was a really nice guy and he will be greatly missed by alot of people. Sometimes great people just make bad decisions. I don't think there is a person alive that hasn't made a bad decision... I just hope that if nothing else, Justins death helps keep more people from running and possibly losing their life. Even a huge ticket would have been better than what resulted. I care about every one that I ride with, you're all like a big family to me, and I don't want to see this happen to anyone else.
And last but not least... Mike... I know VERY few people that are in that position. Most of us that are broke still have telephones, cable, cell phones, INTERNET, things that we could live without, and even broke we still live way better than most people in other countries... I seriously doubt that anyone runs because they can't feed their kids. :wtf:
lotsamtbottls
12-07-2006, 08:48 PM
I know VERY few people that are in that position. Most of us that are broke still have telephones, cable, cell phones, INTERNET, things that we could live without, and even broke we still live way better than most people in other countries... I seriously doubt that anyone runs because they can't feed their kids. :wtf:
+1!
Jane Honda
12-07-2006, 09:19 PM
Well I guess I was put in my place.
Again, I DO NOT advocate running from the law. I am just saying that I can understand what MIGHT be going through the heads of some of the people that do it.
kneedragger26
12-07-2006, 09:56 PM
Pretty sad. Except for not having a license, I wonder why the guy ran.
R-666
12-07-2006, 09:59 PM
Ya know- coming from a guy who at one point had $26,000 in fines. I have no want for a officer to go thru ill will of another- meaning I dont wish injury or death upon them at all. Have I been subject to power tripping and ego, bet your ass I have but on the law side... I was breaking a law, they called me on it and I paid for it. Thats just how **** works... Do I agree with running- no... have I an before, yep... in town- no. People do a variety of things for reasons unknown to others ya know, but to me the lesson I take from all of this is that life comes second by second... we saw justin go by and approx. 6 mins later- he was dead. To me officer in pursuit or not, the decision was justins... not ours ya know- agree or not... he took the gamble and he lost. We take a gamble when ever we leave the driveway on our bikes, some elevate that risk ( wheelies, stoppies, what ever) I know that I understand it and wouldnt expect anyone to have sympathy for a judgement call that got me killed. I do feel for his fiance and family, they have a loss and a hole that could never be filed... n 6 months Im sure we wil be back to riding wolf creek and similiar roads where we are no where near the "limit" suggested- but that is our call.
People have jobs and people make decisions.... and tomarrow is another day- aint life a *****:blah-blah
Again, RIP Justin- agree or not man- see you when we get there.
TL_Jester
12-07-2006, 10:18 PM
Ya know- coming from a guy who at one point had $26,000 in fines. I have no want for a officer to go thru ill will of another- meaning I dont wish injury or death upon them at all. Have I been subject to power tripping and ego, bet your ass I have but on the law side... I was breaking a law, they called me on it and I paid for it. Thats just how **** works... Do I agree with running- no... have I an before, yep... in town- no. People do a variety of things for reasons unknown to others ya know, but to me the lesson I take from all of this is that life comes second by second... we saw justin go by and approx. 6 mins later- he was dead. To me officer in pursuit or not, the decision was justins... not ours ya know- agree or not... he took the gamble and he lost. We take a gamble when ever we leave the driveway on our bikes, some elevate that risk ( wheelies, stoppies, what ever) I know that I understand it and wouldnt expect anyone to have sympathy for a judgement call that got me killed. I do feel for his fiance and family, they have a loss and a hole that could never be filed... n 6 months Im sure we wil be back to riding wolf creek and similiar roads where we are no where near the "limit" suggested- but that is our call.
People have jobs and people make decisions.... and tomarrow is another day- aint life a *****:blah-blah
Again, RIP Justin- agree or not man- see you when we get there.
+++ 1... well put Ron
ButtnPushnMonky
12-07-2006, 11:00 PM
So when are we going to do his memorial ride?
TL_Jester
12-07-2006, 11:39 PM
Has anyone talked to family or close friend to find out when his service's will be.... Does anyone know where the route Justin like to ride the most... maybe we could all run it for one more time this year for him
lotsamtbottls
12-08-2006, 01:33 AM
Has anyone talked to family or close friend to find out when his service's will be.... Does anyone know where the route Justin like to ride the most... maybe we could all run it for one more time this year for himjeff- i think thats a great idea... if someone can find those things out, i'd love to be a part of it! :thumbup:
AndrewR6
12-08-2006, 06:23 AM
Ya know- coming from a guy who at one point had $26,000 in fines. I have no want for a officer to go thru ill will of another- meaning I dont wish injury or death upon them at all. Have I been subject to power tripping and ego, bet your ass I have but on the law side... I was breaking a law, they called me on it and I paid for it. Thats just how **** works... Do I agree with running- no... have I an before, yep... in town- no. People do a variety of things for reasons unknown to others ya know, but to me the lesson I take from all of this is that life comes second by second... we saw justin go by and approx. 6 mins later- he was dead. To me officer in pursuit or not, the decision was justins... not ours ya know- agree or not... he took the gamble and he lost. We take a gamble when ever we leave the driveway on our bikes, some elevate that risk ( wheelies, stoppies, what ever) I know that I understand it and wouldnt expect anyone to have sympathy for a judgement call that got me killed. I do feel for his fiance and family, they have a loss and a hole that could never be filed... n 6 months Im sure we wil be back to riding wolf creek and similiar roads where we are no where near the "limit" suggested- but that is our call.
People have jobs and people make decisions.... and tomarrow is another day- aint life a *****:blah-blah
Again, RIP Justin- agree or not man- see you when we get there.
well put.
RIP JUSTIN
WindBurnt
12-08-2006, 07:32 AM
RIP:angel:
chakup
12-08-2006, 09:59 AM
was he at bike nights much- I'm trying to see if I know him or not for sure.
I'm trying to remember Justin too. In the Aufy video I made earlier this year,
http://www.eugenesportbike.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318
there is a yellow & black GXSR that goes by me at the tail end of this video. Can anyone tell me if that is Justin?
Xusia
12-08-2006, 12:21 PM
+1 big time. I respect your opinions mike and xusia, but I disagree with both of you. Next time you go on a group ride, stop and find out how many police officers are with us (no it's not me). Most of them ride too, and they are getting fed the f$#K up with squidly behaviour that makes us all look bad. we all know that if you choose to speed, you choose to become a target. Take it to the back roads, take it to the track, but nighttime on main street without a license..... well, I'm just sorry that Justin lost his life. Now it's his family and the motorcycling community that have to deal with the fall out of his actions. just my opinion.Hold on here. I made no judgment as to whether or not Justin or the Officer did the right or wrong thing. I wasn't there. And for the record, I don't advocate running either - especially in town, at night, and definitely not both.
My comments were specifically directed toward Mike's comment that he could understand WHY Justin made the decision he did, which I can understand given the current social and political situatin that exists with law enforcement. Do not mistake that for blaming the officer for I do not. I personally know - and like, I might add - several police officers and know they don't have a choice in some situations. Their actions are dictated by policy or superior officers, a situation I believe needs to change. The officers themselves need to be able and allowed to make decisions as to what's in the public's best interest.
To wit, if Justin had good reason to believe the officer wasn't going to be a jerk and would be at least somewhat understanding, he MIGHT have made a different decision. To me, preventing people from WANTING to run is definitely in the public's best interest.
So when are we going to do his memorial ride?
Don't know...but I'll definatly be there.
Danyelle
12-08-2006, 03:03 PM
There will be some sort of fallen rider memorial in our display at the car show.. and Justin will definitely be a part of that.
TL_Jester
12-08-2006, 05:37 PM
jilted-R6..... Since you and Justin were such close friends we all would like to do a last ride for him, you may know where he likt to ride the most.... Personaly I would be honored to if you led us on this ride.....
TOM-CAT
12-08-2006, 05:51 PM
I'm trying to remember Justin too. In the Aufy video I made earlier this year,
http://www.eugenesportbike.com/forum/showthread.php?t=318
there is a yellow & black GXSR that goes by me at the tail end of this video. Can anyone tell me if that is Justin?OH MY GOD! NOT that Justin? Somebody tell me it wasn't that Justin! I am starting to feel really sick... Oh please tell me it wasn't that Justin...:frown::mecry:
lotsamtbottls
12-08-2006, 07:48 PM
OH MY GOD! NOT that Justin? Somebody tell me it wasn't that Justin! I am starting to feel really sick... Oh please tell me it wasn't that Justin...:frown::mecry:i didnt watch the vid, but if you mean the big hawaiian-looking justin that wears the icon jacket... it was not him.
TOM-CAT
12-08-2006, 09:57 PM
Oh thank god! I am very sorry that Justin leaves behind a fiancé. But "Icon Jacket" Justin has a family with kids and a baby. I don't mean to imply that one life is more valuable than another, but I was just thinking about his kids…
TigerRider
12-09-2006, 07:32 PM
Michelle and I would like to say our thought's and prayer's go out to his family and friends... When accidents like this happens it really hits close to home for all of us.It really ticks me off when someone calls this kind of incident an 'accident'.
It's not. What it is - it's tragic in that it will impact the family and friends of the rider. It's tragic in that it will impact the emergency responders and the people in the other vehicle.
But, no matter how tragic, it's not an accident. It's a stupid act that cost a young man his life.
Running from the police is one of the most assinine acts that anyone can do. Running from the police on a motorcycle is even more assinine.
If you ride like a bonehead and the po-po sees it - stop, take the ticket like the adult you're supposed to be. If you don't think you deserve the ticket - take it to court.
Don't get me wrong. I really feel for the families and individuals who are involved with the aftermath of this tragedy.
Michael
Eugene
TL_Jester
12-09-2006, 11:22 PM
It really ticks me off when someone calls this kind of incident an 'accident'.
It's not. What it is - it's tragic in that it will impact the family and friends of the rider. It's tragic in that it will impact the emergency responders and the people in the other vehicle.
But, no matter how tragic, it's not an accident. It's a stupid act that cost a young man his life.
Running from the police is one of the most assinine acts that anyone can do. Running from the police on a motorcycle is even more assinine.
If you ride like a bonehead and the po-po sees it - stop, take the ticket like the adult you're supposed to be. If you don't think you deserve the ticket - take it to court.
Don't get me wrong. I really feel for the families and individuals who are involved with the aftermath of this tragedy.
Michael
Eugene
Really.... So is it safe to assume that in the 44 years you have been riding that you have never pulled a "bonehead" move that caused an incident....
or anything close.....
I have read the post people have left on here and it is sad...
I seen finger pointing and alot of judgements...
Who are we to judge anyone of us.... the is only one that should judge and thats the good lord himself... I know I have tried to ride harder then I should and could have bought it right then then also ... But there is no way I think any of us can sit here and say all the "should have's" or shouldn't have's... As tragic as it is... we have no right to place blame... trust me I am no angel, for along time I was against the law and placed blame on them, but it was I that did the wrong....
jilted-R6
12-09-2006, 11:31 PM
well said TL_Jester. anywho justins funneral is on thursday. and papa's on main street is having a fund raiser, for any pizza purchased with a flyer or mention of justins incident half of money will go to his parents. ill get better info asap.
VELOCITYGSXR
12-10-2006, 01:46 AM
Its Crazy Reading All These Opinions And Replies Justin Was A Friend And A Fellow Rider Who Will Always Be Remembered! What Ever Thoughts We Have Right Now Should Be Praising Him And His Family For This Tragic Lost. I Guess Its Hitting Me All In The Wrong Way I Talk To Him That Afternoon And Saw Him Basicly Die In Front Of My Eyes.dont Get Me Wrong Everyone Has Right To There Opinion But There Should Be No Blame Thrown Around Right Now But I Know There Lookin For Donations To Help With The Funeral Cost And They Can Be Left@ Ramsey Waite Or Contact Annie @ 541-514-4941
TigerRider
12-10-2006, 02:13 AM
Before the flames start -
What I said in my previous post didn't point a finger of 'blame' at anyone.
I simply pointed out that in my belief, it is wrong to call the incident that took Justin's life 'an accident'. It wasn't. No way, no how.
You'll note - I did say numerous times that it was tragic. It was also terribly painful to all those that Justin left behind.
What killed Justin was Justin making a very bad decision. Nobody will ever know why he made that decison.
Trying to point fingers of blame at the Springfield Police, or the people who now have to live with their memory of that fateful turn into the Burger King parking lot, or at the Paramedics who failed in their attempts at life saving isn't going to get anyone anywhere.
Don't push your heads into the sand and mope over this tragedy. Use it to learn.
Learn from this tragedy wrought by Justin - so that every time you ride and the opportunity comes up to make a foolish decision - you pause and think first.
That is how you turn a tragedy into a positive.
By the way, I don't think that I ever said a thing about how I'd never made a mistake in my 44 years of riding. I've made plenty and, I'm sure I'll make more. There is one thing that reaching a rather mature age brings to riding - and that's a connect with our own mortality. Now, when I fall down, go boom...I take a lot longer to stop hurting.
Hopefully, you'll all get to the same point in your lives.
RIP Justin, ride on.
VELOCITYGSXR
12-10-2006, 12:19 PM
IM NOT TRYING TO START ANY FLAMES MAYBE THE WAY I WORDED THINGS WERE WRONG AND IM SORRY ITS JUST FRUSTRATION I GUESS. BUT I TALKED TO HIS FIANCE ABOUT 5 MINS AGO AND GOT ALOT OF DETAILS THE FUNERAL IS THURSDAY @SPRINFIELD MEMORIAL @1PM MAIN/72nd AND THERE IS A VIEWING WEDNSDAY 9-4. AND PAPAS IS GIVING 50% OF THEIR ERNINGS AS A DONATION THURSDAY DAY OF THE FUNERAL AND THERE IS A FUND @SELCO JUSTIN CUTRIGHT FUND. WHICH WILL HELP WITH THE COST OF THE FUNERAL AND HIS UNBORN CHILD OF 5 MONTHS SHE IS GOIN TO PUT A BOOK OF MEMORIES AND PICS TOGETHER FOR THEIR CHILD AND HIS MOTHER SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY SHE IS VERY INTRESTED IN THEM YOU CAN POST IT AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT TO GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO
RIP JUSTIN
TL_Jester
12-10-2006, 07:25 PM
Another places that is taking donations is the AM Pm on 42nd St.
FJMam
12-10-2006, 08:13 PM
:frown: My deepest sympathies to all those who lost Justin.
What's obvious to me is that Justin was well liked and Loved. He seems to have brought smiles and good feelings to so many of you and that is what needs to be remembered.
His final act in this life is now done. We can only hope that all those that were hardest affected by it can move through the shock, anger, fear and disappointment to an understanding of lifes gifts and losses.
Remember that he was young and well loved. I don't believe I had the pleasure to have met him at RW the few times I was in there but I do know this............There are many here who will carry him in their hearts for years to come as a result of his kindness and warm nature.:)
May all find PEACE and know that Justin is now in a better place, though it seems to have come far to early.
My thoughts are with you all and to his family, mother of his child and the child to be here soon. :angel:
Jane Honda
12-10-2006, 10:04 PM
Josh you are right. And I am so very sorry that you have had to be whitness to the loss of such a wonderful friend. My heart goes out to you and Justins family. I think what people here are doing is just discussing what happened so that maybe someone else that is put into the same situation will take into consideration what was written here, and use it to make a good decission. Any discussion that might help another friend avoid what has happened here is good. My most sincere and heartfelt sorrow for the loss of a great person and friend.
Summer4ever
12-11-2006, 09:24 AM
Josh you are right. And I am so very sorry that you have had to be whitness to the loss of such a wonderful friend. My heart goes out to you and Justins family. I think what people here are doing is just discussing what happened so that maybe someone else that is put into the same situation will take into consideration what was written here, and use it to make a good decission. Any discussion that might help another friend avoid what has happened here is good. My most sincere and heartfelt sorrow for the loss of a great person and friend.
+1
phatbstrd
12-12-2006, 10:30 AM
This is very sad news!
LIV2DI*636*
12-13-2006, 07:52 PM
Well I have to say that was one of the hardest things to see the other night. I have seen quite a few wrecks and I always say its a good thing to be reminded of what can happen. However I would never wish this on one of our own. I humbled to see first hand of what our decisions on the pavement can bring to our future. Justin you were a nice guy and a good person but most of all you were a brother on the street. My prayer is that you are in a more peacful place now. You will be missed and always.. Ride on.
R.I.P.
dansrc51
12-15-2006, 10:15 AM
THE FUNERAL IS THURSDAY @SPRINFIELD MEMORIAL @1PM MAIN/72nd AND THERE IS A VIEWING WEDNSDAY 9-4. AND PAPAS IS GIVING 50% OF THEIR ERNINGS AS A DONATION THURSDAY DAY OF THE FUNERAL AND THERE IS A FUND @SELCO JUSTIN CUTRIGHT FUND. WHICH WILL HELP WITH THE COST OF THE FUNERAL AND HIS UNBORN CHILD OF 5 MONTHS SHE IS GOIN TO PUT A BOOK OF MEMORIES AND PICS TOGETHER FOR THEIR CHILD AND HIS MOTHER SO IF ANYONE HAS ANY SHE IS VERY INTRESTED IN THEM YOU CAN POST IT AND WE WILL FIGURE OUT TO GET THEM WHERE THEY NEED TO GO
RIP JUSTIN I bought a pizza last night from the papa's on 11th per usual and asked for the justin cutright fund, but the told me that there was no such fund:bash: , he even checked the other chains to find out. What gives? was it papa murphy's maybe? If it's not too late I would donate my few dollars to the fund, but I need to know what the deal is. Your post says the date 12-10, so I was thinking that your meant thursday 12-14......
jilted-R6
12-16-2006, 12:36 AM
it was 12-14 at the papas on main street only
FJMam
12-17-2006, 11:42 PM
SELCO CU. They have a memorial fund for Justin there.
Klaksta
02-19-2007, 02:21 PM
The sad thing is that I can personally attest to the bull that goes on as far as law enforcement is concerned example on the seventeenth I got pulled over for the right headlight on my FZ 6 not being n and it was from a biker cop no less, long story short I now have a ticket for driving an uninsured vehicle, after the cop called dispatch to verify that I do have insurance, they even gave him the policy number but now I have a vehicular felony and a 350 dollar citation (driving an unisured vehicle on public roadways) to deal with rather than a 100 dollar ticket that carries no criminal charges (failure to carry proof of insurance) I'm fighting it but there is no doubt that sportbikes get targeted and popped for less than anything else excepting expensive and italian rides. It's tragic that things like this happen but until Law Enforcement Officers stop essentially harassing citizens we will be in fear and some people may run In Missouri right now they're trying to pass a bill thatmakes stunts of any nature (even riding with no hands on the bars, regardless of cricumstance) a crime equal to running from the police. How many people will die there before it gets repealled or lessened, most laws and officers are there for our safety but the 20 percent are always there waiting for riders and other motorists to slip up just so they can throw the book and look like superstars to their superiors
Having said that I understand that this thread is old but I dont think it should die, in all reality despite the tragedy that this incident was and I am not assigning blame, new riders too often think they're invincible after a couple months I think this should be a constant reminder to new riders and veterans alike that bad decisions on a bike can lead to more than a ticket orthe hospital. It's sad that it takes things like this to get the message across, but I think if one new rider sees this and makes the decision to asses the risks they take and lives as a result this loss wouldn't be in vain, Keep it rubber side down
FJMam
02-19-2007, 07:51 PM
Good points all. Thanks for reminding, though I was highly concerned that we'd lost another..............
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